The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)

[Grumpy]

With a single coil like that in Spherics geometric configuration, you should be able to detect the effect with a single coil since the effect is projected in all directions.  Hmm - maybe a conical shape would be better.  Anyway, with this coil benig pulsed, you could use another coil connected to a battery - like 12v or more - and see if there is a gradual charging effect.

Just trying to think how to see this without a scope...

[forest]

You can use neon to see kicks if there are some of them they seems to be higher frequency and able to light neon.

[Bruce_TPU]

translations in red:

ain't got one, never produced or seen one of my own.

haven't built the spherics coil, and so haven't tested it.

haven't built the spherics coil, and so haven't tested it. haven't even tried a simple piece of wire either. please build and test it so we can see the real deal, because we haven't a clue how to go about it, even though we talk like we do.

i assume poynt99 has built nothing, and the junk i've built has produced nothing...notwithstanding, i'm still better than him anyway.

me and the elite cats i hang with (grumpy et al) are all experts and authorities on the kick even though none of us can produce a photo of one. the ambiguous photos posted by gk, marco and others is all the confirmation we need that they exist, even though we can't prove that they are the real deal, nor have we created one ourselves.

the shotgun approach only goes so far. not all are so gullible.

Hello All and Poynt99 (Are you really ZPE?)
If you read my old thread, I actually came across this "comp field" or anomalous magnetic field.  At the time I did not know what it was.  Like Marco, I was running slightly out of phase identical signals in an unusual coil I had made.

A lot of time has passed since then.  As many know, I was actively involved in the TPS Boyce build.  I learned a lot.    It also was not for public consumption.

Then Spherics came along, and I learned a lot more.  In between, reading Aspden, Tesla, Dr. Lindemann, etc.  (We can be substituted for I).

In all honesty, Poynt99, I am working on a build to produce hundreds of thousands of "kicks" per second.  Our motive is honest in trying to get some of you to try these simple experiments.  I would think some could read between the lines, but some are dense and do not understand why we keep trying to point people in a particular direction.  Perhaps some readers can figure it out.

Some have PM'd us and are working hard on experiments and builds.  This is awesome.

Our controller has been nearly 10 months in the making, coils are being wound.  I do not tell you this because I think I owe you anything,  I do not.  We are trying to get people on this board to "think" and head down the "red pill" path, that leads to wonderland, and not the "blue pill" path that leads to stagnation of thought.

Like Grumpy said, some want to be spoon fed and never build anything.  But it is true, that not everything built is necessarily for public consumption....yet.  I am hoping to soon get permission to release some Boyce TPS information.  Some would be helpful to some folks and help them make the mental "connection" to other information.

Grumpy has posted more great information and understanding than anyone on this forum.  He rags on some of you guys for the same reason, to get you to think, and head down the right path.  (right defined by RE, its production and capture)  That is his way.  I take a different approach but the same purpose. 

I really am involved in a build right now, too important to stop and play.  I have very limited time.  Heck, I want to build EM's circuit, and have it power my Micro TPU (still runs by itself for 36 minutes) but I need to stay focused and can not at this juncture.  I have a non working OCAL magnet motor fixing to go to auction on EBAY to raise funds for my present build.  So do not imply that I do not build things.  Besides, there are many here who know better.    LOL

Happy, Happy Days,

Bruce 

[sparks]

      @Grumpy

    How bout using a flurescent bulb as a core.  It's round and it lights up when you kick a winding.   It will do it with one conductor.  Maybe the bifilar with the iron deal will result in a greater intensity. 

@ Paul

     Voltage is a result of energy density,  not some mathmatical modeling of charge seperation quantified by a  plank constant.  Seperated by what?  Nothing? How could nothing seperate things?   When the upper atmosphere cools down after a hot steamer of a day it compresses the less dense heated lower air mass.  The compression results in air masses of differing energy densitys as things squirt about.  Lightning discharges this inequity of energy like a river discharges  mountain rainfall to sea level.

[Grumpy]

OK guys.   Enough!

Seeing that I am stuck on ALL that I am trying to do, I'm taking the responsibility to "PROVE",
once and for all, the details and existence of the kick, and how "exactly" to produce and detect
it.  Grumpy, I may even figure a way to show it without a scope, but I am sure it will require one
to prove that IS what it is.  Even a Neon, could produce light without a "Kick", so this may be
not possible without scope shots AND basic loads, light lights.

Here's my method, open for changing, but I'm pulling this one until it's done.  1 hour, 10 hours,
or as long as it takes!   Starting with a simple Bifilar coil, sitting on the workbench.  I'm going
to put a coil on top of this.  OK so far?    Two Spools, Bifilar on bottom, single wind on top, no
core used.  (Hopefully, this will work.)   I'll start by sending pulses into ONE of the Bifilar winds,
and measure the output of the top coil.  Then the other Bifilar wind, and measure.  Then Both
Bifilar at the same phase, and measure output.  This should be a sufficient baseline, no?

Next, I'll alter the phase of ONE of the two bifilar winds, while measuring the output.  IF a
"Kick" exists, I should be able to produce some kind of boosted output, at some phase
difference, assuming that I understand any of this.  If this won't work, for any reason that
anyone knows, PLEASE tell me ASAP so I don't stay awake for 48 hours trying to do a
documented test that cannot produce results!!!!

If this works, I can post the scope shots, the schematics, etc.  Would that be sufficient to
settle this for both the doubters and the ones who understand?  It will certainly help me to
become more familar with the field effects, and though I"ll post the "Kick" results, be asured
that's not the only reason to do this basic of a test.  (Imagine small coil kicks, easily avail...)

OK?    I'm at the bench "RIGHT NOW!"  I'll post here to say I've stopped of finished, and I'll
post ANY results in the "Test Results" thread, just to keep things organized.

I've never been a good teacher, but I'll give a demo a try.  Feels like I'm back in the Labs of
old, documenting an untried circuit.  Hopefully, the components survive this one.  I'll even
note on any prints I draw as to where the scope probes are placed, though that's the main
reason I'm going to use a seperate coil for output.  Should make this easier.  (Maybe?)

Art

With the bifilar approach, delay and all that, the effect is manifest in the coils, so they are control and collector.  You may not detect anything outside them or very little.

As for detection and such, There will be a change in a dielectric - which may cause a changing charge on a conductor.

There is also the touch approach - at certain pulse rates there are various sensations that can be felt.

Tobacco smake may work - this is a very old means to see what's going on.  BEP hs mentioned this method and is probably the only one that uses it.

Various bulbs may work - who knows?  Worth a try.

I'll get back to the bifilar in a few days as I really want everyone to see it.