The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)

[pauldude000]

@wattsup

If you still have that alternator stator, and want to experiment, learn from the originator!

http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/00382280.pdf (This is the patent loner and I reference quite frequently.)

What you need is figure 1, concerning how to wind and connect the "primary" coils for rotation of field. Figure 2 shows the lower turn secondary useage, in concert with the primary underneath.

What I find interesting, is this IS a MEG, and a TYPE of TPU (The original TPU that is.).

It is a "virtual" alternator already, so a similar primary should be able to be wound OVER your stator.

I hope this is usefull for you.

@all

As a side note:

For anyone looking for a good Tesla Patents source, this site has all of the US, British, and Canadian patents in .pdf file format (nice.)

http://www.keelynet.com/tesla/

Paul Andrulis

[gn0stik]

Magnetic Induction by definition is an induced EMF (electricity) in a closed circuit due to change of a magnetic flux in the circuit.

Since these units HAVE to be either pulsed with electricity in some manner, or started with a moving magnet, they by definition are run by magnetic induction. To have induction, a magnetic field does not have to "cut" a wire". Skin effect, faraday's disk example, and various other principles show that ANY interaction between a changing or motional magnetic field and a conductor produces EMF.

Faraday's disk example demonstrates that the field is continually "cutting through" an infinitely thick conductor, as far as the stationary magnetic field is concerned.

Now, in a theoretically "perfect" rotating field, you would see a moving "tube" shaped magnetic field, sliding around the circumference of the TPU. Now, we are told that this is impossible, as the field cannot exist without the applied electric field, which is true. They indeed do exist hand in hand.  However, both photons and radio transmissions demonstrate that this Mag field/EMF field CAN separate from the inductor that produced it, and travel away from said conductor seemingly existing by itself.

The question is, will the resistance of such a field to passing through a conductor, allow for a conductor to guide its path of travel? (The principle of the path of least resistance.)

If so, then a self existant rotating field can be made.

Now, consider a virtual rotating field effect. I state virtual, as all that matters is what the collector "Sees". Your "frame by frame" analogy wouldn't matter in this case, as the collector neither "knows about" nor "cares" whether the field is an independent field rotating or three or four fields simulating the same thing. Three or four properly phased coils pulsed in proper sequence do just this.

The first signal fires field No1. Second coil fires just BEFORE field No1 starts starts to collapses, joining the two aligned fields, just like two permanent bar magnets held with N of mag1 facing S of mag2. This prevents or at least minimizes "field orientation flipping" upon collapse of field No1. (it would at worst be a very weak field at the point of field reversal due to the strength of the following field at full power.) Field No2 then is at full peak, as the third coil fires, and so on around the coil.

You then have a perfectly simulated rotational field of the same type, but using stationary fields. The "collectors" would see nothing but a rotating field either way. It does not matter really which is truly happening.

The collectors in a tpu are not much different in consideration as the disk in Faraday's example.

At least, this is the current state of my understanding. It may change as my work progresses.

If you have a theory for your understanding of the operation of the device, I would love to hear it. All input is good stuff to me, and I am proposing but ONE possibly valid explanation of the device.

Paul Andrulis

I understand why you feel that induction is the operating principle behind the tpu. I just don't see how it can be. If overunity could be had by simple induction, I believe it would be widespread by now. Everyone and their brother who has had the idea of hooking a motor up to an alternator to power itself would have figured it out independently. It's just too lossy. Hysteresis, Eddy Currents, resistance losses etc. No load, and loaded losses abound. I think we have to look deeper into the SM's tesla references to find out what's really driving this thing. Mr. Mark spoke about Tesla's experiments with HVDC and spark gaps, and the stinging sensations, and cool breezes, etc. How this is tunable to achieve various results. This, I believe, is the key. If the tpu were just a virtual rotor system, there is no reason it shouldn't work when flipped over. It may be part of the operation of the device, but it cannot be a complete explanation. I believe the TPU is a marriage of tesla technologies.

"The true voyage of discovery consists not of seeking new landscapes, but having new eyes."

  *Proust

Please don't take any of this the wrong way.

Regards, Rich

[pauldude000]

@gn0stik

That's completely alright Rich. I shared, and to some extent still share a little, of your confusion, though day by day, and experiment by experiment clears up the confusion slowly but surely.

When people are being reasonable as you are, I have no problem with negative comments or constructive criticism. It is both healthy and necessary. That is why I explain my understanding in such cases, so that the one performing logic checking has an in depth understanding of my viewpoint, and can possibly point out to me erroneous thinking.

It doesn't guarantee absolute agreement or disagreement, but is a very good means of hammering out ideas. I like to call it logical positive feedback.

I would be happy to converse with you more on my logical reasons for inductance if you wish.

Paul Andrulis

[pauldude000]

@all

Here is a thought for everyone concerning induction.

If a magnetic field has to "cut" through wire, then there is a very real mechanical drag. Skin or surface induction still has drag, but much much less. Now, when a field cuts a wire, an opposing field is created in the wire cut, which adds more drag. (by drag I mean resistance to motion)

This is why using a generator to power a motor which turns a generator does not work. This "drag" or resistance to motion, uses a portion of the applied energy to overcome, therefore effectively preventing O.U. You then consider the amount of energy required to spin the masses of BOTH the generator AND the motor, and it gets worse. All energy in the system has to be accounted for, to check for OverUnity output. Everything from friction to mass to field resistance has to be accounted for.

Gn0stic knows what he is talking about.

However, consider a massless virtual rotor, which does not rely upon a heavy high mass mechanical/electrical hybrid magnet, and there is NO OPPOSING MAGNETIC FIELD SINCE THE COILS ACTED UPON ARE 90 DEGREES OUT OF PHASE MAGNETICALLY!!!! (bet you didnt consider that now did you... )

Say the only energy required of the system is some heat losses of various types, minor skin effect field drag, and field energy creation itself?

All of the mechanical energy required of the previously mentioned Motor/generator system is not present here. No physical motor to spin, no physical rotor to spin. No frictional losses either bearing heat or frictional resistance to motion, no mass resistance.... Just a cute virtual magnetic field spinning round and round by its practically frictionless little self.

However, to be fair, the fields I have generated are fairly weak as fields go. Therefore generating little current.

What is truly amazing, is the simple fact that ANY alternator with a steady rotor field strength, produces MORE POWER if it is spun faster. The awesome thing about any virtual magnetic rotational field is the speed at which it can spin................... The faster it spins, the more power from the same applied field.

Consider Faraday's disk. Even with a fairly weak magnet, what is the voltage and current producible if the circumference of the disk is moving at Mach 1 in relation to the center-point of the shaft? 

Haven't you ever wondered why the collector HAS to be inside the CC's to get the best effect, and why coils to the inner side produce more voltage, than coils to the outside of the field? (Faster rotational speed per circumference length is one very possible explanation.)

The TPU isn't a tranformer gentlemen, it is a truly WIERD alternator. Tesla even stated as much, in that he mentioned quite blandly that the pictures demonstrated were not the only manner in which the coil could be wound for similar effect.

I propose that he already HAD this type of TPU in mind, not as a frequency to voltage/amperage convertor as demonstrated by the patent (which it was), but as a portable power producer which he could claim he discovered quite by accident which was already patented for a different purpose so therefore already covered as a natural extension of a previously patented device.

Tesla was a sneaky sucker anyway......

Paul Andrulis

[Kls]

@ Paul

About moving a field or field poles; There is no upper limit to that speed ,not even the speed of light itself and that's so because the field itself is not a particle which have mass, 0 like the photon or greater like any other particles. So in theory one could move a field created by virtual poles (aka a virtual magnet) at a speed much much faster then the speed of light.That would obey all known laws oh physics.