Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[Localjoe]

@jeanna

On that note if there was a built in "mechanism for make and break"  why would he implicate a "device of interposition" specifically.  It would seem that he tells us a device that preforms the operation is needed. But im curious of it as well. How would you interpret that?
                                                                                 Joe

[jeanna]

@jeanna

On that note if there was a built in "mechanism for make and break"  why would he implicate a "device of interposition" specifically.  It would seem that he tells us a device that preforms the operation is needed. But im curious of it as well. How would you interpret that?
                                                                                 Joe

well...
The interposed device could be anything that needs about .5-.7vdc.  I have always interpreted  this as the low woltage dc load. and wondered how one would preserve the "character of the wires as the electrodes of the galvanic couple"  in the 10's by having them just stick up.

But then when he talks about the make and break I think of it as I mentioned above, a place where a spark would jump the gap to something making the break for a pulse of the opposite direction to occur. But right there in the primary, because the only part that I think is clear (as mud) is that the secondary is where the real load is.

This is why I can't understand why I get absolutely nothing from my secondary. (but all my secondarys are smaller than they should be to be increasing transformers. and maybe this is where my trouble lies.)

jeanna

[Localjoe]

@jeanna

Ahh, I get what your saying .  Good thinking and this is probably partially my fault for not elaborating further, as spark gap persay is exactly what you describe but the voltages involved are high voltage depending on the distance of the gap, a rotary spark gap just makes and breaks a connection at a set speed through brushes or contacts not through thin air like the prior.  That should make a lot more sense to ya now.

So This is what i was getting at

from the patent
lines 20 -26 page 2 of the text

"the other or remaining terminals of the wires are brought in contact through the interposition of any electrical instrument or device with which they may be connected to cause the electric currents generated in the coil-body 4 to flow through such instrument or device"


and
lines 63 -68 page 2 of the text

"The magnetic field produced by the current traversing the coil-body 4 induces a secondary current in the solenoid or secondary coil 12, when the ordinary make and break of the primary current produced within the coil 4 is made between the terminals of said coil 4. It will therefore be seen that the construction of the battery illustrated in Fig. 4 is practically a self-generating induction-coil"

These two statements together seem to describe something different to me at least , ponder this for a moment and tell me what you think

If there is an electrical device hooked to the primary terminals 5 and 6 speificly a device which interposes/stands between the wires  and which the currents flow through.. logically those are oposites stand between\seperate or flow through.. right

now in his next phrase he describes the "ordinary make and break of the primary current produced in coil body 4"

So put that all together and you get 
  A-  A device which terminals 5 and 6 are connected to
  B-  A device that the currents in the primary coil flow through
  C- A device that interposes/stands between the connection of the wires 5 and 6
  D-  When he says the ordinary make and break that to me defines a condition that is normal for this devices operation so putting all these facets together A-D

We get a device which the primary terminals 5 and 6 connect to which allows the currents to flow through it yet makes and breaks the connection between said terminals of coil body 4 .   A relay is the only thing i know of that could do this in the olden times  the one thing i may be missing is this.. there may be a second part to the device of interposition that draws power like a small light bulb not sure yet but thats the only other change i could see being interpreted and seems like it could be logical since a relay usually powers a small load. 
                       Tell me what you think
                                     Joe

[resonanceman]

So, I keep thinking about those metal globes that are at the top of the batteries and if they are connected to the corepiece 1 , then the 10's wires could be almost connected to the corepiece 1 and just allowed to spark off the globes. Then, they would alternate high and low.

Now, I don't know for sure that they would spark, but if they do, it would be a built-in make and break. I keep looking for this built in make and break. I think it is there somewhere; somehow, I think it is part of how the wires are connected etc.

Jeanna

Welcome back

I hope  your trip went  well

Sorry   to hear  your meter died ...


The problem  with your spark idea  is  that  sparks require voltage .
The more voltage the  farther  the spark can jump .

A spark gap  is  just a  set of contacts  a specific distance apart 
The distance is  chosen  to be more than  the "avrerage "voltage in the  circuit  can jump ........but less than the high  voltage  in the circuit can jump . 

to get a spark  with less than a volt  you pretty much have to  rub the  contacts together .


gary

[jeanna]

Yes, Joe

And Hi Gary.

I will need to be shown how to make this relay. I gave up having you, joe come up with an actual design a while ago. You proposed this idea which seemed great. You seemed to understand what it was.

I had to learn what all the elements were, and I have been doing that.  There has never been an actual even failed!!! attempt.   From anybody.  (not just you)  Maybe you have tried 30 things. but if you did I never saw any of them.

So, I am still where we were the day (was it in January?) when you first described the relay.

Not really, because I have asked about sparks and looked a lot. But if you want to make an outside device, go for it. (I certainly hope I am not standing in your way. Because I don't have any idea how to do what I think you want to do.)

The fact that I think NS had it worked out so that the sparks would spark when he wanted them to or at least that he could maneuver their timing is what I am going on, but for anyone else, that is irrelevant.

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Gary,

The meter is not so bad. It is the truck battery. I left the parking lights on and didn't go into the truck for 10 days. It may be gone. I've had a charger on it for most of the day and it is at 8% charge. aargh!

jeanna