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HIGH QUALITY TPU DVD Video Released from Jack Durban

Started by Jdo300, April 14, 2008, 02:40:29 AM

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EMdevices

Quote from: poynt99 on April 24, 2008, 02:11:00 AM
guys if there is no battery and no active devices in these things, then why did SM use tube oscillators in the early days of development?....why was SM always stressing the use of tubes?...why did SM say that MOSFETS will work, but you have to know what you're doing?...why did SM mention the huge development time of his controller and the circuit board full of parts and integrated circuits?...witnesses have seen batteries used in the device, at least to start it, why SM's reference to pure frequency?...why do some devices not even use the magnet, which SM said was not required anyway?...this quashes the "swipe of a magnet" idea doesn't it. if anything the magnets were used as a switch, either a mechanical or electrical one. he sure as heck doesn't attempt to swipe the magnet past his "receptor" to activate the FTPU...he just gently "places" it there. not much juice is going to be generated by those piddly weak RS magnets, placed at such a slow speed at such a distance from the toroid.

...it just doesn't add up, think about it.

I can see your dilema, but to me the videos come first in trustworthiness and the letters second.Ã,   In that first video he saysÃ, "very very cheaply put together ââ,¬Â¦thereââ,¬â,,¢s no mass circuitry involved with any of this stuff .... it's just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other...."Ã, 

However, that's not to say I don't trust what was said in the letters, but if your read them carefully, the concepts presented range all over the place, to get us to think.Ã,  Obviously he did not disclose diagrams and there's some conflicting information just in the letters themselves,Ã,  (what came first "kicks"Ã,  or "transformers interactions"Ã,  or "3 tubes with pure frequencies" )Ã,  etc.. etc..Ã,  Also which TPU was he refering to?Ã, 

Also, notice I refered only to the FTPU.Ã,  In the OTPU I thought I saw a 9 V battery, maybe maybe not.Ã,  the LTPU sure has that box in the center that makes you wonder.Ã,  But all can be diversions of sorts,Ã,  since if you have something that runs with gain, and you understand it properly, there is not need for electronics of anykind, all you would need is perhaps a coil and capacitor to create a resonant tank, and a choke or transformer to feedback the oscillations and block the DC, a very simple arragement.

EMÃ,  Ã, 

Grumpy

Quote from: EMdevices on April 23, 2008, 11:08:00 PM
Let me say this one more time,  there are no Mosfets, no transistors, no active components in the FTPU.

When the system "runs with gain" you don't need amplification, pulses or anything, it is SELF OSCILLATING if wired correctly for positive feedback.

EM

SM quote:

QuoteSo Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?
The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation.



EDIT:

The old method of creating this "oscillation" was "impulse excitation".
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

EMdevices

why does "starting the oscillation" have to mean "impulse excitation"?   why can't it mean flipping a switch to close the loop and have the oscillations build up?

poynt99

so consider this

scalabilty is no problem. Jack you know mosfets were available in the 80's when SM developed this tech. If those are fets in the ftpu, they are large package devices. high power is not required here, and the small blue unit obviously is a much later model and could have used surface mount mosfets...they are pretty small, and were available in the 90's. yes a small button battery or 2 may be all that is required to get the process going.

yes, the control boxes...a diversion? i really doubt that. if that's the case then you should be questioning everything you see on the ftpu (and all the others) as a possible diversion, including that spiral wrap thingy of yours, and the choke. see where this goes?

sm agreed with carl saying sequential pulsing of coils. that's not really possible without some electronics.

there are electronics in there, in some cases minimal, but there
question everything, double check the facts, THEN decide your path...

Simple Cheap Low Power Oscillators V2.0
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=248
Towards Realizing the TPU V1.4: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=217
Capacitor Energy Transfer Experiments V1.0: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=209

Grumpy

Quote from: EMdevices on April 24, 2008, 09:19:18 AM
why does "starting the oscillation" have to mean "impulse excitation"?   why can't it mean flipping a switch to close the loop and have the oscillations build up?

Where is the energy imbalance to start the reaction?  Before a spring can store energy, it must be compressed or expanded.  A bell does not ring on it's own.

If SM's waving of a magnet produces a "kick" directly - I'm impressed.  It's more believable that the waving of the magnet is a ruse, triggers a switch, or inductively creates an impulse that then creates the "kick" - which by running with gain, just goes round and round getting bigger and bigger.

EDIT: also, "oscillation" is not to be confused with an AC sine wave which is a pair of oscillating currents (Steinmetz and Dollard)
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards