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Overunity Machines Forum



Fallacies in Lee?Tseung Lead Out theory &Veljko Milkovic 2 Stage Mech amplifier

Started by Kul_ash, April 15, 2008, 07:21:27 AM

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TinselKoala

Why not show it now?

Is it because it exists so far only on paper, but you are sure it will work as you planned, because of your careful analysis?

OK.

But if you do have it now, I encourage you to show it, because otherwise not many will believe you.

I certainly don't.

Pirate88179

Funny, Lawence Tseung (Of Lee-Tseung fame) says he will have a working device next year also.  Of course, he has said that now for the last 5 years so, I am not holding my breath.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

magnetmotorman

Quote from: TinselKoala on November 17, 2008, 01:28:43 PM
Why not show it now?

Is it because it exists so far only on paper, but you are sure it will work as you planned, because of your careful analysis?

OK.

But if you do have it now, I encourage you to show it, because otherwise not many will believe you.

I certainly don't.

I am rebuilding a self destroyed prototype.

Believe what you want.

I say rightly I will show next year, because I'm poor, work hard to survive, have family, and many responsibilities. Certainly I want to show these discoveries to the world, more than you want, but with a budget almost equal to zero, it is not a fast thing.

Greetings...

PS:
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Since you are bold enough to call others ignorant who do not agree with your views
"Ignorant" is not an insult, I am ignorant in many matters, like everybody.
The key is simplicity.

Nabo00o

Guys, I don't really know about much about the lead out theory since its just too lengthy for me to read  ;D

However I know that the 2 stage oscillator works. As of yet no one (as we know of) has made a version of it which closes the loop, that however does not mean that it is impossible.

What I would wish you all could do is not to look specifically at the machine build by Milkovic, but instead to look at the principle which he utilizes in it. "Resonance is a strange effect" as man on youtube said, "it causes overunity". Allthough I don't completely agree with this statement, it will amplify any oscillation being consumed in the resonant oscillator.

In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjZ5wpzhwtU you can see the common Milkovic oscillator being used with both with a pendulum and a spring.


The principle in work here is resonance combined with a 2-stage separation of the input and output.
This will change the relationship between load and the lowering of the energy stored in the oscillator, which will act most efficient when the load is the largest. This is a completely reversed situation compeered to the normal operation of any machine which oscillates. Normally a wheel for example, will retain most of its energy when it has the lowest amount of load connected to it.

This principle of resonance is also what powers the rotoverter, and can lower the amperage draw immensely while it still keeps the same speed at a specific load.
And long before the rotoverter or the milkovic pendulum was invented, the principle of resonance powered amplification has and is still being used in most of our common and uncommon acoustical instruments.

Have you ever wondered why your classical guitar has a large volume of space inside it?
It is because it amplifies specific frequencies of the original driving sound from the strings on the guitar.
Inside the case of the guitar standing waves will form, which will like any other oscillator increase the amplitude of the vibration when a signal at its resonant frequency is produced.

Since the the wooden walls of the case acts just like the hinge which the pendulum is connected to, vibration induced on the wood and then transformed into sound waves will not result in an equal loss of energy stored inside the the guitar. This can be confirmed with an electrical guitar which do not posses any substantial amplification tendency of sound.

By first ringing the string a couple of times to hear how high the volume of the strings are, you can then compeer it to placing the neck of the guitar towards something which has a lot of surface and also a good sound quality, like wood. This can be you door, wall or any other object which you would like.
What I can guarantee you though is that the sound produced with an acoustical amplifier will be much larger than without one. And then you can begin to wonder why this is happening.

Walter Lewin (think that's his name anyway) at MIT did a similar experiment with a tuning fork over a sound box, and to everybody's astonishment the sound volume increased insanely high!
He didn't say much more about it, but told the students that of course it would be drained much faster, but that is actually not the case! As a matter of fact, placing a tuning fork on a sound box will make the bottom of the fork more stable, and will thus make the oscillation slighly more efficient.
Same thing goes for the string on a guitar when you add the case, the sound will be ten times or more larger but the strings will ring for just as long or longer.


Those of you who are genuinely interested in this fact and wants to understand how and why the Milkociv pendulum works, this is it....
Static energy...
Dynamic energy...
Two forms of the same.

hansvonlieven

Quote from: Pirate88179 on November 17, 2008, 01:44:03 PM
Funny, Lawence Tseung (Of Lee-Tseung fame) says he will have a working device next year also.  Of course, he has said that now for the last 5 years so, I am not holding my breath.

Bill

His flying saucer was to have made its debut over the Beijing Olympics remember?

Maybe the MIB's took it

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx