Feynman makes a Bedini Motor

[UncleFester]

@PMM Dave,

Can you provide information on how they did it 50 years ago?

Groundloop.

They did it by putting sodium hydroxide in the emptied cells and letting it sit. Thereby creating lead plumbates which are of course highly toxic. Then those plumbates (powder when dry) had to be disposed of, so they would put them in concrete and that apparently locks up the plumbates in the conrete, hopefully rendering it harmless at that point.

GroundLoop, thanks for the charger, it is still working good, only 22 more Trojan T-105's to go! = )

[PMM Dave]

"Maybe this is the proof to the claim you so vehemently protest?"
Maybe it is. I am not vehement, I just would like to see some test data. In other words, the current and voltage versus time plots before and after the use of the Bedini machine. If it works, there will be more total watt hours after than there were before, right?

A video of the machine running is not very useful, what we need is the test data. (It obviously runs).

Also, to the guy who said it was voltage pulses not current pulses. The current and voltage are related by the celebrated equation
V = IR
This is known as Ohm's law. I have mentioned it before, but people on the forum keep raising the issue of education in the field of electronics. Ohm's law should, IMHO, be a part of any such education. As I also mentioned before, I make no claims one way or the other about personally having such an education.

Dave

[Groundloop]

"Maybe this is the proof to the claim you so vehemently protest?"
Maybe it is. I am not vehement, I just would like to see some test data. In other words, the current and voltage versus time plots before and after the use of the Bedini machine. If it works, there will be more total watt hours after than there were before, right?

A video of the machine running is not very useful, what we need is the test data. (It obviously runs).

Also, to the guy who said it was voltage pulses not current pulses. The current and voltage are related by the celebrated equation
V = IR
This is known as Ohm's law. I have mentioned it before, but people on the forum keep raising the issue of education in the field of electronics. Ohm's law should, IMHO, be a part of any such education. As I also mentioned before, I make no claims one way or the other about personally having such an education.

Dave

@PMM Dave,

The guy did not say it was only voltage pulses. The guy said is was HIGH voltage pulses AND that there was a low current present below the C20 rate of the battery. Read the post again. The guy ALSO know Ohms law very well. :-) So the guy knows that a high voltage pulse will be converted to a high current pulse if discharged into a low resistance load. A lead acid battery is normally a low resistance load. But that is NOT the whole story. When a battery is heavy sulfated the internal resistance in the battery much higher. So if you o-scope across the battery terminals while running a desulfator on the battery, you will see ultra thin voltage spikes that should not be there because of the battery low resistance load.

Groundloop.

[PMM Dave]

The ultra-thin voltage spikes are caused by parasitic inductance in the connections to the plates. If you want to model a battery at high frequencies, then you need to include this. Approximately, the voltage is given by
V = L dI/dt
Figure about 1nH per inch of circuit for the inductance, including both the plates and the wires to the battery. It can be modelled pretty well using a program such as PSPICE. You would use a value of internal resistance that reflected the condition of the battery, of course. The heavier the sulfation, the larger the internal resistance.

[poynt99]

The ultra-thin voltage spikes are caused by parasitic inductance in the connections to the plates. If you want to model a battery at high frequencies, then you need to include this. Approximately, the voltage is given by
V = L dI/dt
Figure about 1nH per inch of circuit for the inductance, including both the plates and the wires to the battery. It can be modelled pretty well using a program such as PSPICE. You would use a value of internal resistance that reflected the condition of the battery, of course. The heavier the sulfation, the larger the internal resistance.

not quite i think.

the spikes are caused by the reversed inductive kick mainly from the monopole magnet. they would be high voltage because of the relatively high internal battery resistance, and possibly as well from the sluggish/heavy charge carriers delaying the conduction current.