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Overunity Machines Forum



Feynman makes a Bedini Motor

Started by Feynman, April 18, 2008, 12:41:22 AM

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utilitarian

Quote from: Magnerazz on July 16, 2008, 11:44:04 PM
The reason is the charge circuit is only over 100% COP over a very narrow range of resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself. The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit. Adding any external load will change the resonant condition. The charged battery has to be removed from the charger circuit and utilized to drive a separate discrete load to realize the gain.

Fine, remove the battery from the circuit when it is fully charged.  Swap in a new battery.  Voila.  Keep going.  Perpetual motion achieved.   I am sure the overunity of the Bedini motor is enough to perform the basic mechanical motion of swapping two batteries on rollers, no?

willitwork

"resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself"

Magnerazz, I'm with utilitarian on this. Keep charging, swapping and unloading batteries. Calculate the total power delivered by the disconnected batteries over time and it should be easy - very very easy -  to determine if you are getting any gain at all.

As for the "resonant interactions that actually occur within the battery itself" are we to believe that lead acid gel cells behave differently than car batteries, nicads, NiMH or Li-Ion type batteries?

At this point I don't buy the "The output loop and the battery form a resonant tank circuit." at all.

Magnerazz

Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

utilitarian

Quote from: Magnerazz on July 17, 2008, 07:48:37 AM
Look at the Bedini circuit diagram. The output circuit is inductively isolated from the input circuit. The circuit possesses all of the characteristics of a simple RCL oscillator. The battery itself has resistance capacitance and inductance properties. A gel cel is a lead acid battery and for some reason the lead acid chemistry lends itself to resonance connections in a practical relatively low frequency range. That other battery chemistries don't work illustrates the quirky nature of the physics involved. There would be a whole set of different resonances for different materials, many of which would not fall into practically achievable ranges. This is the nature of spin resonance connection. For lead acid the resonant connection occurs with a specific set of harmonics somewhere in the 3.5 mHz range. The motor or exciter side of the circuit generates multiple wave forms and the resonant connection is an intermodulation harmonic response. If you built a successful replication, and there have been many, based on a particular size and type of lead acid battery, substituting a different size or type would require retuning the exciter circuit to find resonance again. There is no one magic set point, for any individual device a successful tuning is going to be specific to the physical geometry and electrical characteristics that particular device.

None of what you said addresses what I said.  If you think the Bedini is overunity, then it should be very easy to set up a perpetual motion machine, using the method I outlined.  Just use a single Bedini motor and multiple sets of batteries.  At the conclusion of a particular charge, use the charged battery to activate a mechanical motor which will swap a new set of batteries into the device.  Repeat ad infinitum.  Rotate flat and charged batteries around as needed, and siphon off extra electricity into other batteries or external sources (using something other than the Bedini wheel).  Repeat ad infinitum.

WilbyInebriated

show us your charge monitoring circuit utilitarian... what is its power usage?
mechanical motor? please elaborate, what is its draw? i'm sure you have the bistro math for how much energy the motor will consume moving large heavy lead acid batteries...

what, no?  hmmmm.
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