Roll on the 20th June

[fletcher]

The sceptics will continue to be sceptics [until physically proven otherwise] - the hopeful will continue to be hopeful  - all 'facts', anecdotal evidence & supporting stories should be examined for consistency, ergo, a barometer of truthfulness.

The people willing to make 'donations' to quinns fighting fund will do so because ...

A. they think there is a real chance of him breaking the conservative forces & achieving OU.

B. they enjoy the voyeuristic entertainment factor, so want to reward him for that, at least.

Clanzer said it earlier - if quinn has been feeling any pressure it is nothing like he is going to feel from the responsibility of living up to his promises to the donee's - they may be feeling charitable right now [hopefully only giving what they can afford], but unless tangible progress is made towards a conclusion & POP then they are unlikely to make large or regular top-up donations on an ongoing basis - they are in the main sensible, I should imagine, & will IMO drip feed in funds according to results delivered, to keep things accountable & honest - if the pitch should change substantially to say one of, I need more money to keep going to the next stage, then I for one would be seeing red flags aplenty.

@Rusty - FWIW, I've looked at all of Clanzer's video's & they are an impressive collection of experiments - so far, it appears to me, that you guys are attempting to make linear accelerators using permanent magnet arrays - yes, there are problems entering the field & you are looking for ways to mitigate this negative - you are also trying to close the loop to make a circular array or rotor & stator arrangement to achieve the same thing - IMO, to be a linear accelerator the rotor needs to accelerate [gaining momentum] but so far it looks to me in the linear trials that the rolling balls & connector magnets are not actually gathering velocity - in fact, in the 24-36 gate series etc the rotor slows & halts, which suggest to me that the frictional losses are to much for it - when the gates were on blocks above the rotor it ran further making 30 odd gates but IMO this is because the magnetic force above is partially opposing the gravitational force acting on the balls, effectively reducing the frictional losses - I'd be interested if that's how you see it ?

P.S. IMO, the rotors [in either a linear or closed array system] need to show measureable acceleration & increase in velocity to go some way to proving that magnetic forces are not conservative, but then you probably already have thought this ?

[Thaelin]

Hey Ram:
   Mine threatened to take a hammer to my computers, so I just eliminated the threat.     No more woman, no more nagging either.

thaelin

Wow go away to work come back[the wife doesn't like me working out of town] check in on the lap top    step away for a moment   BAM SPLASH  wifey threw the laptop in the river [NOT GOOD}     Chet PS better pay attention to your women  lest your laptop ends up swimming with the fishes

[gwhy!]

@Rusty - FWIW, I've looked at all of Clanzer's video's & they are an impressive collection of experiments - so far, it appears to me, that you guys are attempting to make linear accelerators using permanent magnet arrays - yes, there are problems entering the field & you are looking for ways to mitigate this negative - you are also trying to close the loop to make a circular array or rotor & stator arrangement to achieve the same thing - IMO, to be a linear accelerator the rotor needs to accelerate [gaining momentum] but so far it looks to me in the linear trials that the rolling balls & connector magnets are not actually gathering velocity - in fact, in the 24-36 gate series etc the rotor slows & halts, which suggest to me that the frictional losses are to much for it - when the gates were on blocks above the rotor it ran further making 30 odd gates but IMO this is because the magnetic force above is partially opposing the gravitational force acting on the balls, effectively reducing the frictional losses - I'd be interested if that's how you see it ?

P.S. IMO, the rotors [in either a linear or closed array system] need to show measureable acceleration & increase in velocity to go some way to proving that magnetic forces are not conservative, but then you probably already have thought this ?

Hi fletcher,
   There is a  acceleration through the first couple of gates and big kick out of the last couple of gates. From some of the test that I have done and which others have also done the optimum number of gates to have in the array is 3 maybe 4. its a very intresting arrangement because there is a relatively big dead spot (maybe not the correct terminology) on the entrance of the array if you come into it at about 90 degrees and also on the exit . So my thinking is if you can get the roller mag dropped/put/moved in to the array at the exact point of this dead spot within a closed loop you will have a overall gain in momentum and even better if you can get it out at the dead spot at the end of the array. Thats my slant on it anyway for whats it worth .   

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi fletcher,
   There is a  acceleration through the first couple of gates and big kick out of the last couple of gates. From some of the test that I have done and which others have also done the optimum number of gates to have in the array is 3 maybe 4. its a very intresting arrangement because there is a relatively big dead spot (maybe not the correct terminology) on the entrance of the array if you come into it at about 90 degrees and also on the exit . So my thinking is if you can get the roller mag dropped/put/moved in to the array at the exact point of this dead spot within a closed loop you will have a overall gain in momentum and even better if you can get it out at the dead spot at the end of the array. Thats my slant on it anyway for whats it worth .   

Hi All
Thats how I see it, to me everything Gwhy said here is exactly right, if there wasn't acceleration the attract back comming out would not be broken and it would pull back every time but because the acceleration pushes through the attract back it has the momentum to travel along way past the gate before friction stops it.
The Trigate may not be able to do what we want at the moment but theres no dout in my mind there is acceleration through the gate, there is no dout the Trigate is pushing a magnet roller further then gravity will take it and in my mind there is no dout it shows magnets do work.
I say this because doing work to me is moving a load from point A to point B, like if I pick up a box at one end of a table and move it to the other end, I am doing work moving that box from A to B but I'm not doing work lifting that box and putting it down.
The Trigate does this and it has been shown twice here and I did it once, I moved a toy car, Sean moved a toy firetruck and Gwhy moved a cart with a ruler on it all three were loads moved from A to B using only magnetic force, people will say but you put the load into the gate before it moved but I would say if I gained energy by picking up the load and puting it down then why if I move the toy car into position with out the gate there. will the car not move and just sit there. the car will not go from A to B until I have the Trigate there to move it from A to B.
Take Care All
Graham
PS: Also the size and strength of the roller magnet is relative, the more gates the stronger your roller needs to be, so with 30 gates you need a lot stronger roller magnet to react the same as it would with one gate.
To show this I had my toy car setup to go through 8 gates slightly up hill and it didn't go all the way with one roller so I added magnets to my roller to make it a stronger magnet, after adding magnets the car not only went through all 8 gates but also kicked out as if it was going through one gate.

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