Roll on the 20th June

[jratcliff]

I was just watching Archer's latest video and I had simply the best idea!  I saw how his wheel was failing, how it wouldn't rotate on its own and generate power.  While I was watching it carefully this great idea came into my head; just popped in there out of nowhere.

Get this!  What if Archer would attach some arms with shifting weights, so that as the wheel turned these arms would shift up and down, keeping the wheel off balance so that he could leverage against the force of gravity!?!?

I wonder if Archer ever thought to do something like that before?  It seems his all magnetic device simply doesn't work.

John

[jratcliff]

I think it would be easier to demonstrate PM than it's going to be to demonstrate OU.

Kitefreak, PM *is* OU.  You cannot have a perpetual motion machine without it also being over-unity.  All mechanical devices suffer from energy loss due to friction.  Any PM machine would have to be producing more energy to keep turning simply to overcome friction.  I think what you are getting at is does the machine have enough excess energy to provide additional power output?  Like you, I would be satisfied if Archer produced a working gravity wheel based on the designs he went on so much about over the past several months.

It is not any of us who are moving the goal posts; Archer set those up quite clearly in the beginning.  How ironic is it that this monstrous thread is still sitting in the gravity section of the forum when Archer's current work is a purely magnetic driven device.  I won't be happy until I see some arms shifting their weight back and forth just like the machine he allegedly built once before.

John

[kitefreak]

@ Archer

Just want to reiterate what Shakman said: please don't be provoked. Please stay calm; water off a duck's back and all that... It's not worth it - it's a waste of your energy. You have plenty of supporters; please leave us to engage your distracters with reasoned and logical arguments, while you continue with your work.

[shakman]

It is not any of us who are moving the goal posts; Archer set those up quite clearly in the beginning.

Sorry John (I assume this was in relation to my post), you are indeed correct, but I think you may have misunderstood my angle here. What I wanted to know was what would it take for Archer to impress these guys and stop them from "hating" so much. It seems regardless of what progress Archer makes, the answer for some will be that no step along the way will impress them until they have a fully working PM wheel. Fair enough if that's their opinion, even if I do find it a ridiculous stance on such a subject. Progress impresses me. Every new discovery is another piece in the puzzle. Some claim they aren't new discoveries, so be it, but they are new to me so I am impressed.

How ironic is it that this monstrous thread is still sitting in the gravity section of the forum when Archer's current work is a purely magnetic driven device.  I won't be happy until I see some arms shifting their weight back and forth just like the machine he allegedly built once before.

John

LOL. Very true. At this stage it is primarily magnetic, although I wouldn't rule out gravity playing some role unless I see this thing running on it's back. Archer has lead me to believe that you might get your gravity assistance via shifting arms. This was a few weeks ago but I understood this will most likely be incorporated into the final design for additional power.

shakman

[dirt diggler]

Kitefreak, PM *is* OU.  You cannot have a perpetual motion machine without it also being over-unity.  All mechanical devices suffer from energy loss due to friction.  Any PM machine would have to be producing more energy to keep turning simply to overcome friction.  I think what you are getting at is does the machine have enough excess energy to provide additional power output?  Like you, I would be satisfied if Archer produced a working gravity wheel based on the designs he went on so much about over the past several months.

It is not any of us who are moving the goal posts; Archer set those up quite clearly in the beginning.  How ironic is it that this monstrous thread is still sitting in the gravity section of the forum when Archer's current work is a purely magnetic driven device.  I won't be happy until I see some arms shifting their weight back and forth just like the machine he allegedly built once before.

John

John:

Wow you really are something aren't you?
You won't be happy untill Archer produces the machine that you want him to?
If you had followed any of this thread, you would know that Archer claimed to be able to build 6 different ou devices.
Archer has shown many different methods of wheel construction, and all have shown promise.
The wheel Archer built before, used shifting arms, scaling that wheel up, proved difficult, so he moved on to another design.  This new design could very well be one of the 6 he claimed he could build.

ciao,  Dirt