Roll on the 20th June

[tekylife]

For Archer's reference, and so you can't keep changing the goal posts, how many turns from a standing start will it take to impress you?

I think at some point everyone people agreed on a 5 turns minimum would make them think about PM. But it also depended on the video setup,
all in all 3+ minutes long video ( wheel turning , any setup introduction is extra ) was what most expected. No input from the operator, wheel stopped at the start , clear vision of the back of the wheel,  no electric input, no air compressor, both hands always visible ... you know ...  a setup reducing most of the nay-saying.
Some people mentioned Plexiglas and transparency. that could have helped too.
We'll see what Archer learned from the thread, as this as been discussed all along before the previous deadlines. Someone even recommended a buying a tripod on the donations    to enhance the presentations to the contributors and the fans.

[kitefreak]

@jratcliff

I must admit I've wondered about this - the difference between PM and OU. For PM you need just the right balance of negative/positive forces to keep it going at an even speed. If there's too much positive energy won't it just keep getting faster and faster, and like melt down? If it's an OU device then presumably you'll need some kind of brake on it. Otherwise how do you shut it off?

@ all

It does seem fantastical, whichever way you look at it, but I just can't help believing in dreams....

Please folks, I said 'moving the goal posts' in relation to the laws of supply and demand changing the PRICE of magnets, like the veg oil I used to burn....

This thread if really active....

[purepower]

@ gwhy

Glad we got our confusion sorted out and thanks for your offer of help. I will check out KlaNZerS trigate ramp climbing vid, but in the meantime I've just ordered some magnets so I can experiment myself. I've ordered some rod magnets and a smaller number of disk magnets, because I'm going with the Mayernick array and heavier/stronger travelling magnet arrangement. I'm doing this simply because I've seen it work already - in Archer's over-the-hill and out-the-other-side video. I've also seen the climbing a steep ramp carrying a load video, from Archer.

@ all

Now I know toys do not impress Archer, and his priority is free energy for the masses. But for me, having seen those videos, I think it would be easier to demonstrate PM than it's going to be to demonstrate OU. But isn't PM in itself a world first? It's never been done before, has it? Or will the fact that the magnets eventually demagnetise disqualify it?

I just think, having seen the videos mentioned above, that it should fairly straightforward to make a track where the roller comes back to the start point and starts again, i.e start on the level, go up a steepish hill (for however long you like?), go over the hill, then break out of the wall on the down slope, with the assistance of gravity and the extra weight being carried, then ROLL down a curved slope to the start point. I realise there will be friction on the roll down.

So imagine one could put the above described toy together; you put the thing running before you go to bed, get up in the morning and it's still running. You go to work, come back, and it's still running. You go on holiday for a couple of weeks, come back and it's still running. Would that defy the laws of physics? Would that be a world first? Am I being hopelessly deluded for even thinking that it is possible?

Am I gullible for having been inspired by Archer's tenacity, dedication, tirelessness and 'f*ck you' mentality? I don't think I am. 

I dare to think there may be something new here.

Do you all think the price of magnets (and indeed their availability) will be effected if people see what Archer may reveal in a clearer fashion in the coming days and then rush out and place an order for magnets. Archer said something about the supply of neo's drying up in a couple of weeks once the cat's out of the bag (I'm paraphrasing). I wouldn't mention this but 18 months ago I converted my van to run on straight vegetable oil because it was 0.42 GPB/litre off the supermarket shelf; less than half the price of diesel. Now it is 1.17GBP/litre, off the supermarket shelf; the same price as diesel. Yes folks in USA, that's what we pay!

Point is, once everybody jumps on the bandwagon, the laws of supply and demand move the goal posts.

Hey kite!

You bring up many good questions here, some I have been thinking of myself.

In regards to the differences between OU vs FE vs PM, I broke it down in a post about 50-70 pages ago, I'll try finding it later.

Anyways, as of yet AQs device hasn't "proved" to be any of these. It is clearly not perpetual, nor does it produce any energy above and beyond AQs slight input by hand.

AQ has demonstrated his concept successfully, but has still not proven anything. (That may sound contradictory, but it can not be "proven" until it runs indefinatly without stopping itself).

His next step will be to iron out the wrinkles and get PM. This will be his proof. Once the machine can run on it's own, then we can take the step to FE and try getting useful work out of it.

Obviously, this is easier said than done.

Now, let's assume we to get to this point: the wheel can be hooked up to a geneator and power something  without stopping.

Step back and think for a second, what is doing the work? Simple, the magnets. Without them, or when they die, the machine will not run. Clearly, the magnets are the source of energy.

So, is the machine capable of PM? I guess, as long as the magnets are good.

Is the machine OU or "free energy?" No, simply because it is not producing any energy above what already exists in the magnets (uniform kinetic energy in the electrons = magnetism).

This is what we (or I) call a "free" energy device. Aside from the cost of initial construction, all energy produced comes at no additional cost (unless you considers magnets a fuel that need to be "filled up" every 300+ years). Wind, wave, and solar fall in this catergory as well.

Now, in regards to "the laws" of physics being broken, no they are not. Extracting energy from a source does not brake any laws.

What it does change is our understanding of magnetism as a conservative force, but the scientific community understands we are still learning things about magnets and that's why we haven't written any "laws" on the matter.

In regards to the cost of magnets rising, they probably will but not as much as you think. We can easily manufacture magnets using cheap and plentiful material, the ceramic mags. Now, they are no where near as good as naturally occuring earth mags, but they come much cheaper. Earth mags would see an increase in price for a couple reasons: they are better so they would be in high demand and, like any mined natural resource, there is a limited supply to what we have below our feet.

PM is not unknown. A satelite would stay in orbit indefinatly if we could prevent space debris and dust from hitting it. Since we can't perfectly protect it, we equip them with rockets to keep em up and on course (even the slightest collision can send to miles off track when you are traveling thousands of miles an hour).

Hell, even Newton's laws confirm the potential for PM! In his FIRST  law, he says an object in motion will stay in motion unless an outside force acts upon it! There you have it! PM, confirmed by NEWTON! All you have to do is remove all outside forces including friction, drag, etc. and a body in motion will run forever!

(AQs disdain for Newton looks pretty silly now huh? It makes me wonder if he even read them...)

-PurePower

[therealrasta]

@jratcliff

I must admit I've wondered about this - the difference between PM and OU. For PM you need just the right balance of negative/positive forces to keep it going at an even speed. If there's too much positive energy won't it just keep getting faster and faster, and like melt down? If it's an OU device then presumably you'll need some kind of brake on it. Otherwise how do you shut it off?

Friction would make it have a capped speed.. So it would balance out a certain amount of RPMS.  Now if you had  magnetic bearings and used it in a vaccum.. Then perhaps.

[Rusty_Springs]

Absolutely (madsen, you were faster,lol)!

This is a proof of "diminishing" rotation. If the rotor makes a few turns, then stops, it is definitelly slowing down, wouldn't you think?
As configuration hasn't changed (?) in those few turns, that means "something" is acting against the rotation.
And logic says to make even the 1st turn from a stand-still, one have to provide additional energy input.

As simple as that.

Hi All
It looks like an off centre rotor which would put one side closer then the other in rotation, this means the magnetic feilds is weaker where gravity is helping and stronger going up the hill against gravity.
I to worry about the hand turning it from behind and the slowing down after a couple of spins that were started from the hand push.
Take care All
Graham
PS I would think there is still a wall because to me its moving down hill with gravity alot slower then would normally be the case so the magnets are acting like a break comming down hill, also its not making it up the hill and thats why you only see rotation when the xtra energy is added with the hand push.