Roll on the 20th June

[purepower]

@PP

Your thoughts indicate that you didnt read the finer points of Wright's Laws. If you had read the theory you wouldn't have made a statement about people being pushed off the planet at night.

But atleast you raised a number of points which he appears to explain quite a bit better than any current physics models.

I wonder how long it took for Newtons theories to be adopted by the mainstream? I guess in another few generations quite a bit of Newtons work will be throw out in favor of more accurate and reliable theories. Either way he still deserves credit for attempting and in many cases succeeding to further our understanding of gravity.

Well, since I did read it at work, I may have skimmed and missed a detail or two.

But one thing I clearly remember reading is him stating the sun's gravity pushes us, "squeezing" us onto earth.

Hold a ball out on your hand and squeeze. Notice how some of the force is directed away from you, some towards you, and some to the side in between.

If it is the sun keeping us on earth, how can gravity act in all these directions so evenly and consistently?

But if is the earth pulling us to it's center, it is easy to imagine how it can work in so many different directions so evenly and consistantly.

When our current understanding has worked so well for so many years, I highly doubt anyone "missed" the idea that gravity may push rather than pull.

Did this guy even mention how he came to the idea? Was he experimenting and found an anomaly, or did he just wake up one day and decided earth was pushing him?

With 6 billion people on earth, trillions having lived in all of history, every idea and iteration is bound to be cooked up at some point. It's up to society to decide what stays and what goes. With so many people alive, every aspect of our current paradigm is bound to be challenged, whether or not it has any weight.

I'm sure that someone will eventually argue that flora an fauna are actually non-living and dirt and water are actually alive! Okay, probably not, but I'm making a point.

You just need to decide what makes sense to you and what works for you.

Push gravity does not make sense to me, nor does it make sense and work for NASA or any other "real" scientist.

For gravitational anomalies, study quantum.

Something as big as push gravity on the macroscale is like a wild bull in a fine china shop... How could it have gone unnoticed for so long? It can't, and didn't, that's why it's more like a unicorn in a china shop...


-PurePower

[ThothTheSecond]

some interesting gravity/Newton stuff, or maybe not

http://www.besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/messages/108.html

http://yedda.com/questions/push_gravity_concept_considered_5041120419987/

http://www.wbabin.net/science/schreiber22.pdf

http://pushgravity.blogspot.com/

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=141926

[alaskabobb]

Hi,
New here and I am building a wheel that I am losing faith in. But, I drew this up today and think it has possibilities. What do you think. I know it is hard to see and is sort of jumbled but it's all there.
Bob   Thought I'd repost this here to see what a interested group would think
I'll try to state in other words how it is supposed to work. Each inner wt. is 4LBS. Each outer is 3LBS. Weights are hooked together by cables and in some cases have to go over pulleys to pull each other in the right direction. The inner wts. are used to pull the outer wts to where they need to be. The inner wts are 4lbs but only pull 2lbs worth of pull on a  individual outer by use of a tension spring that takes 2lbs to stretch it out, so it only pulls 2lbs. then as the wheel turns another inner weight comes into play and pulls another 2lbs. Thus pulling the outer wt into a favorable position. There are times when there are slack lines. When I state "strait through",  I meant for instance, that a wt was pulling from arm 1 to arm 4. The large circled number is what I perceive to be the "leveraged" weight of that arm. I start the inner wt at 1lbs because it can't be at the center and thus has wt on the lever. The outer, I start at 4lbs,because it is just beyond half way up the arm. I realize that I probably don't have the math down on the leverage, but moving a weight out twice as far doubles its weight force. The two numbers with the "+" sign and an arrow to a weight is the numbers of the arm that the weight is acting on or being acted upon by. So picture a maze of cables or strings with extention (tension) springs in line and some pulleys to reverse the pull at some points. The total weight  on the falling side should be heavier than that of the rising side. So to pull a outer wt out(Say arm 1), it takes the inner wt on the arm directly across (arm 4) and the inner wt on the next trailing arm (arm 3), to lift it. The inner wt on arm 4, also lifts on the outer wt on arm 2. Now at the bottom of the rotation the outer weight needs to be pulled in and this done by the inner wts again but in different combinations  of inner wts than they were pulled out by. For instance, Arm 4's outer wt is pulled in by the inner wts on arms 1 and 2, so the arm strait across and the next arm leading it.  And so on.  Hope this helps. I don't have time to build it right now, but if someone wants to, and it works, I'd be inclined to share patent rights. Or they can just buildit and use it for themselves.   Alaskabobb

[sky]

@PP

"Did this guy even mention how he came to the idea? Was he experimenting and found an anomaly, or did he just wake up one day and decided earth was pushing him?"

I just assumed that an apple hit him on the head one day and thats where he got the idea. Ooops my bad that was Newton... sorry bout that.


"Something as big as push gravity on the macroscale is like a wild bull in a fine china shop... How could it have gone unnoticed for so long?"

I wondered the same about Ptolemy's geocentric beliefs that stood for over a thousand years before Copernicus put the smack down and broke all the china.

For clarity I really don't care whether Wright or Newton are correct (at best they are both very distant cousins of mine) nor do I intend to invest enough time to determine who has the better argument. I'm certain they both make points worth considering. I'm also certain that you give Newton too much credit for our ability to navigate the stars. Most of what we do is done thru trial and error. Empirical testing. We lost quite a few satelites/spaceships in the past 50 years. Hundreds if not thousands. It wasn't a Space race because the math was perfect. IF the math translated perfectly into real world scenarios we'd have vacation villas on the moon by now.

And what the heck is with those statements I quoted you on? I feel like you were intentionally setting the stage for my obvious responses.

[utilitarian]

Hi,
New here and I am building a wheel that I am losing faith in. But, I drew this up today and think it has possibilities. What do you think. I know it is hard to see and is sort of jumbled but it's all there.
Bob   Thought I'd repost this here to see what a interested group would think
I'll try to state in other words how it is supposed to work. Each inner wt. is 4LBS. Each outer is 3LBS. Weights are hooked together by cables and in some cases have to go over pulleys to pull each other in the right direction. The inner wts. are used to pull the outer wts to where they need to be. The inner wts are 4lbs but only pull 2lbs worth of pull on a  individual outer by use of a tension spring that takes 2lbs to stretch it out, so it only pulls 2lbs. then as the wheel turns another inner weight comes into play and pulls another 2lbs. Thus pulling the outer wt into a favorable position. There are times when there are slack lines. When I state "strait through",  I meant for instance, that a wt was pulling from arm 1 to arm 4. The large circled number is what I perceive to be the "leveraged" weight of that arm. I start the inner wt at 1lbs because it can't be at the center and thus has wt on the lever. The outer, I start at 4lbs,because it is just beyond half way up the arm. I realize that I probably don't have the math down on the leverage, but moving a weight out twice as far doubles its weight force. The two numbers with the "+" sign and an arrow to a weight is the numbers of the arm that the weight is acting on or being acted upon by. So picture a maze of cables or strings with extention (tension) springs in line and some pulleys to reverse the pull at some points. The total weight  on the falling side should be heavier than that of the rising side. So to pull a outer wt out(Say arm 1), it takes the inner wt on the arm directly across (arm 4) and the inner wt on the next trailing arm (arm 3), to lift it. The inner wt on arm 4, also lifts on the outer wt on arm 2. Now at the bottom of the rotation the outer weight needs to be pulled in and this done by the inner wts again but in different combinations  of inner wts than they were pulled out by. For instance, Arm 4's outer wt is pulled in by the inner wts on arms 1 and 2, so the arm strait across and the next arm leading it.  And so on.  Hope this helps. I don't have time to build it right now, but if someone wants to, and it works, I'd be inclined to share patent rights. Or they can just buildit and use it for themselves.   Alaskabobb

As soon as you realize that every weight that falls must be lifted, and that it takes more energy to lift a weight than what you get from the falling weight (taking into account friction), then you will realize that no matter what levers or springs you put into your wheel, it has no chance of ever working.  Sorry, but that's cold hard scientific reality.