Come on, let's cut Archer Quinn some slack

[jratcliff]

Let?s all cut Archer Quinn some slack.  He said he would make an announcement on June 20th, so let us show some patience and wait until June the 20th.

I don?t necessarily agree with how Archer has decided to unveil his invention; as it seems to me he is doing things a bit backwards.  Nevertheless I applaud his attitude about the whole affair and his participation and candor.

I was trying to imagine a laundry list of the pros and cons about Archer Quinn?s announcement and it kind of falls out like this:

Con:  He claims that he once had a working device but destroyed it (http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2008/04/free-energy-on-june-20th-fe-truth-world.html)

         He then claims that a small machine is simply ?a toy?. 

        There are a few problems with this.  First of all any perpetual motion machine; be it large, small, crude, or sophisticated, represents an earth shattering breakthrough for the world.

       A perpetual motion machine has to be no more than 0.0000001% over-unity in a completely closed system to be able to change the world. 

      In this regard toys are good things indeed.  A toy that can be easily replicated and shared across the world and community at large would be profound. 

      While I agree with Archer that an overunity PMM capable of producing usable power is of incredible value, I disagree that a ?toy? is pointless.

      Those who hang around the PMM community lose sight of the fact that still today there is not a single repro case of any machine in any form that can be easily demonstrated and distributed.  This would do more to change the minds of the world than any number of YouTube videos or web based dissertations.

Con:  If Archer had a working device, why did he destroy it?  That makes no real logical sense.  Why would he destroy his only working reference model?   If he wants to communicate this principle to the world why would he destroy his best and only case for it?  Wouldn?t a toy be much easier to demonstrate and replicate?  He didn?t even do the minimum of showing photographs and YouTube videos of the alleged device.

These are two pretty big items in the ?con? column. 

Now, let us go to the ?pro? column if you will.

Pro:  Archer?s passion about the topic is inspiring.  His claim that he intends to release this for free to the world is a noble one, and deserves applause for that sentiment alone.

One of the most annoying aspects of PMM mythology are those who claim to have a working device but refuse to share it with the world.  This is probably the most selfish attitude possible.  It's like having a giant hoard of food, while surrounded by starving people, yet you refuse to share without getting paid.

This goes far beyond a matter of wealth; this is a fundamental moral issue.  If you were in possession of an actual over-unity device it would be a crime against humanity and the planet to hold it in secrecy. 

Pro:  For all of the time, effort, intellect, and industry invested in PMM inventions over the past few centuries, to date, there is not one single material result.  In fact, the only measurable affect of PMM efforts is how it has shaped our mythology.  These make great stories and, let us be honest, the stories are most of the actual enjoyment we get out of any of this stuff anyway since, after all, none of these machines ever actually work.

For this reason I applaud Archer Quinn for adding to that mythology and creating an interesting story-line that we will all now get to follow.  I can wait until June 20th, and then I can wait some more after that.  We all know that if he, or anyone else, ever succeeds in creating a true open-source (and easily replicable) over-unity device (toy or not) the world will change forever and the person who delivered us from ourselves will be held in the greatest esteem and find their place in history.

[Bobbotov]

>Archer?s passion about the topic is inspiring.

I think the term is manic. The guy is a certifiable fruitcake and I cannot see how all the fruitcakes in the world can help our energy crisis no matter how sincere they may appear. The problem is signal to noise ratio. Free energy has had nothing but a history of noise with no signal. To give credence to more noise with the caveat that people should cut him some slack is inviting wackos to procreate. There is no free energy in this universe that has been realized and the odds against finding it on a level sufficient for human use is astronomic. You would have a better chance of getting a royal flush sixteen times in a row. Perhaps not impossible just highly improbable.

[exxcomm0n]

@ Bobbotov

Hey bud,

So why are you here anyway?

The entire concept of this site seems to mean members have a sneaking suspicion that energy doesn't stop at electrical or nuclear and we need to learn and discover.

If you came to laugh and point, it's been so noted and rest assured we're used to it.

No one beleived Ben Franklin could capture the fingers of the aether (lightning/electricity).
No one believed Wilber and Orville could fly.
No one beleived a patent clerk from Austria could slam particles you couldn't see together and generate energy equal to a portion of the sun even momentarily.

Until they did.

What did you do today?

[fletcher]

20 June 08 isn't too long to wait [plus a few days contingency ?] - people will keep us informed if the blog updates fizzle out & the build pictures dry up, so as long as there is still obvious progress being made towards his goal I can be patient & charitable of mind.

I'd like to see just one come thru !

[Bobbotov]

>If you came to laugh and point, it's been so noted and rest assured we're used to it.

Yes, and everyone but a child said the Emperor had no clothes on. If you cannot separate the wheat from the chaff it is your problem. Considering the fact that I am a champion of technology having worked with it for over thirty years I do have a distinct crap detector for Woo. The problem is that if people cannot discern anymore then the problems facing the world will be at the mercy of every crackpot with a hair brain scheme to provide false hope. Please tell me what value this has? And obviously you cannot tell the difference between real science and Woo. Archer has never held a job for longer than two months. His website has some of the craziest rants going. Did Einstein, the Wright brothers and Franklin spout wacko rants?

What did I do today? I planted a vegetable garden. But this cuts both ways. What did you do today to invent "free energy?"