Interesting experiment with an transformer, 2 lamps, diodes and an magnet

[GM]

Well, I am back now.

And now I am a proud owner of an really fine digital storage oscilloscope *beingsohappy* ;-)

So I continued my experiment with the toroid transformer and the two small light bulbs.
You remember?

The transformer is feeded with pulsing DC current and supply a light bulb which is connected
to the secondary coil of the toroid transformer.
Each time, when the DC puls of the generator ist going to off state, the magnetic field of
the primary coil is break down and induct a voltage with an opposit polarity in the coil.

My experiement setup use shottky diodes that causes, that this opposit "kickback-voltage"
will feed a second light bulb. The normal pulse of the generator will *not* feed this
second light bulb.

(Please see picture 01_Circuit.gif for the detailed circuit)

I found out, that this kickback energy will significant increase when I place a strong
neodym magnet to a special point near the transformer coil. Please see the older entries
in this thread to get more informations about it. There you also found a video too which
shows the effect.

Unfortunately I had no tools to determine, if the power consumption of the whole
circuit will increase too in this case. My digital multimeter shows a decreasing
current tendency, but like Stefan said, we need scope shots to get for sure.
"A DMM does not show right values, if you measure non-sinus current/voltages".
And maybe the magnet only alter the magentic saturation of the ferrite core.


Well, today I built up the experiement again and took some scope-screenshots.

Plaese take a look and let me know your thoughts and comments. Thank you.


(Picture 02_Current.gif)
This picture shows the the current consumption of the whole circuit and the voltage
level of the battery. The current was measured by measuring the voltage drop across a
1 Ohm 2,5 W shunt resitor.

Chanel 1 shows the voltage across the 1 Ohm shunt resistor (current) and chanel 2
shows the voltage across the battery poles.
The black waveforms show the values without the magnet in the setup, the red
waveforms shows the same measure-points, but with the placed magnet.

You see there is a significant *drop* of power consumption, wehen the magnet
is placed and the kickback powerd light bulb becomes brighter.


(Picture 03_Voltage on coil.gif)
Here you see the voltage amounts across the kickback powerd light bulb (chanel 1)
and across the output connectors of the pulsegenerator.

Black waves = without magnet, red waves with magnet.

The voltage across the output connectors will drop a little bit, when the magnet
is placed. The voltage across the kickback powerd light bulb will alter only
very weakly. So I think only the kickback-current will increase by magnet. Further
measurements are neccessary.


(Picture 03_Voltage on coil-2.gif)
This shows the volatge levels behind the first rectifier diode and ground (chanel 2)
and again the voltage across the kickback light bulb (chanel 1).


I attach additionaly two gif-animations who shows the red and black waveforms as single
frame.


Btw: In another thread Mr. Steven Marks talked about small kicks in wires when they
interact with a magnetic field.

[...]
"If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that."
[...]

My first thought I got related to my experiement was: Hey, the electrones get a
permanent kick *in one direction*! "Das ist wie Rueckenwind beim Radfahren - oder
Schmierseife im Kabel".

Remarkable: This effect is *only* significant at the kickback powerd light bulb!
The brightness of the normal powerd light bulb fluctuate much slightly! Even if
I disconnect the kickback light bulb and drive the circuit as a normal pulse
transformer.

I have to go on with this setup... :-)

Regards, Markus

EDIT: Damn, there is again a mistake in the circuit diagram.
The part with the coil is not between +9V and the FET transistor, but between
GND and the FET transistor. Sorry for that.

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Markus,

Wow, a lot of good data, and very nice scope! Is it a pc scope?

I found out, that this kickback energy will significant increase when I place a strong
neodym magnet to a special point near the transformer coil. Please see the older entries
in this thread to get more informations about it. There you also found a video too which
shows the effect.

As you probably know, that's a very well known effect. It's not really an effect because it's only due to hysterics curve of magnetic material. That is, permeability increase as the magnetic field increases in the magnetic material. Till a certain point of course, which the permeability then begins to decrease as it approaches saturation.

Unfortunately I had no tools to determine, if the power consumption of the whole
circuit will increase too in this case.

Is there other software available that would show average power?


One thing I don't understand is regarding Picture 02_Current.gif, it shows ch.2 connected to +9V battery, but it only shows 1V peek on ch.2, right?


Good work,
Paul Lowrance

[GM]

Hello Paul,

Is it a pc scope?

No it's a 'real' desktop scope with floppy disk option to save screeshots to a ms-dos formated disk.

I found out, that this kickback energy will significant increase when I place a strong
neodym magnet to a special point near the transformer coil. Please see the older entries
in this thread to get more informations about it. There you also found a video too which
shows the effect.

As you probably know, that's a very well known effect. It's not really an effect because it's only due to hysterics curve of magnetic material. That is, permeability increase as the magnetic field increases in the magnetic material. Till a certain point of course, which the permeability then begins to decrease as it approaches saturation.

Hmm, well, but if take a look on the current and voltage consumption, you see that it will
decrase while the kickback bulb obviously get more power.
Could/should this only be a kind of "better efficiency" of the core?

Unfortunately I had no tools to determine, if the power consumption of the whole
circuit will increase too in this case.

Is there other software available that would show average power?

Not for this scope. Maybe some of the internal math- and measurefunctions of the scope
are useful to calculate some informative values, but I am not an "Formula-hero", so I dont
know it for shure.

One thing I don't understand is regarding Picture 02_Current.gif, it shows ch.2 connected to +9V battery, but it only shows 1V peek on ch.2, right?

The probes I use divide the voltage by factor 10, so you must multiply all measured voltages by factor 10.
Therefor the right value ist 10 V peek on Ch. 2.

Good work,

Thank you. I hope I find some attentive readers, who call attention to my tecnical mistakes, because I surly made some - I am not a tecnical specialist. :-)

Markus

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Markus,

I found out, that this kickback energy will significant increase when I place a strong
neodym magnet to a special point near the transformer coil. Please see the older entries
in this thread to get more informations about it. There you also found a video too which
shows the effect.

As you probably know, that's a very well known effect. It's not really an effect because it's only due to hysterics curve of magnetic material. That is, permeability increase as the magnetic field increases in the magnetic material. Till a certain point of course, which the permeability then begins to decrease as it approaches saturation.

Hmm, well, but if take a look on the current and voltage consumption, you see that it will
decrase while the kickback bulb obviously get more power.
Could/should this only be a kind of "better efficiency" of the core?

Indeed! It should get you better efficiency. :-)  So if the device is say a so-called free energy device then it should equate to more free energy.

Unfortunately I had no tools to determine, if the power consumption of the whole
circuit will increase too in this case.

Is there other software available that would show average power?

Not for this scope. Maybe some of the internal math- and measurefunctions of the scope
are useful to calculate some informative values, but I am not an "Formula-hero", so I dont
know it for shure.

I wonder if there's some software that can capture the scope data and calculate the average power and redisplay the data on the computer screen. It would probably take too much work though.

One thing I don't understand is regarding Picture 02_Current.gif, it shows ch.2 connected to +9V battery, but it only shows 1V peek on ch.2, right?

The probes I use divide the voltage by factor 10, so you must multiply all measured voltages by factor 10.
Therefor the right value ist 10 V peek on Ch. 2.

Great, now I can see if it all makes sense to me.

I'm very interested in magnetic devices that have good potential of extracting free ambient energy. A lot of people are really into ZPE or other exotic forms of energy. That's all beyond me, so I just try to stick with conventional means. My research using conventional science points to possibilities of extracting energy from magnetic materials. There are so many things happening within magnetic material that it's truly a universe in itself!  The Magnetocaloric effect is just one of many. Hysteresis is a very exciting effect, which when viewed on a micro scale causes huge electromagnetic signals in the 100+ MHz range. That's just a few effects and I'm sure that are worlds more that conventional science knows nothing of.

Paul Lowrance

[GM]

This evening I carried out this experiment again, but with a normal wounded
coil. No toroid core this time and no second coil only a single coil on a 5 cm/
8 mm ferrite rod.

Pictures following tomorow, but the first conclusion is:
Same effect on the kickback powerd light bulb (a bit less significant than in the other
setup), but when the bulb becomes brighter a simultaneous increase of power consuption
is noticeable. Regardless of the direction of the magnet. One side of magent causes more
consumption, other side of magnet causes even more consumption. :-)

In both cases the consumption-level is above the level without the magnet.

So I guess this looks like a normal adjustment of the permeability of the ferrite rod.
This result is definitely contrary to the first experiment with the toroid core.

Markus