Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery

[FreeEnergy]

Hi all...
i have a few things i wish to add to this now, dusty topic...
In my trial i used a rare earth magnet i got off ebay. It is powerful but it is a disc not a horse shoe.
The "spacer" (I'm not going to say dielectric or anything like that for reasons later described) is a napkin soaked in filtered water with 2 steel clips that are used at my work for securing steel strapping for shipments.
I have used an ordinary receipt as a spacer and i get mild results not as good as the napkin soaked in water. I have also found that maintaining the spacer in a "bath" of water seems to help this little experiment hold its voltage.
OK i better explain why i am saying spacer. I think that (and i will test this some how and post results) that it is not a dielectric that you need but a nonmagnetic or nonmetallic conductor. The better it can conduct the better this will work. Thats my theory on this. That is why the really nonconducting spacer experiments failed.
OK next proposition, to prove to people saying that this is an alchemical reaction where electricity is produced can they post a test that would prove this wrong. If nickle and tin/steel produces electricity then would someone doing this test with a nickle plated washer/nail as the bridge solve that??? if so i might be able to get some tests done.

OK strange findings...

My setup to date
  I = Steel clip
  ~= Napkin soaked in water
O= My Disc magnet (really thin, about 5mm, cylinder magnet)

Note: The napkin is folded to make it a long rectangle the same size as the largest face of the magnet then folded so that it can be folded around the magnet. Like a sandwich.

   I~O~I

I'll post pics if this is unclear.
When i use my multimeter and touch both clips i get about half the reading then if i touch one clip and the magnet. maintaining one probe on the magnet and moving the other between clips give about the same reading but as a negative. My conclusion to this is that there is 2 circuts in the magnet... Not new news i know but it would seem i have isolated them...

Some other ideas that i have on how magnetic fields affect electrons is.
A magnetic field weakens the "shell" that the electrons hold around their atoms. So if a shell is already weak this weakens it more. Explanation: Think of Faradays electric generator and how Tesla improved it. Now apply this principal : The electrons shells are weakened by the magnetic fields interference allowing them to move easier. So you magnetise a copper disk, without rotation there is no charge because there is no where for the electrons to go. No force acting on them. Add rotation (centrifugal forces) and now you have power generation. And a reasoning as to why the outside of the disk is positively charged and the middle is negatively charged. If i am right then magnetic fields can be used to lower the resistances of materials to electrical current. No doubt i will get some responce from someone telling me i am wrong, which i hope they supply proof or some evidence to back it up not just "the laws of physics are..."

Another observation made is that this experiment will only build charge up to a point and then drops it. I have also noticed that if there is no load on the circut then it drops to a point and sits there... i have found this interesting, i would like to know why this is, and if there is more resistance will it be more charge. How does it determin its charge point?
More experiments and variables to test as i have time and i will attempt to post as much info as i can.

Laters

post pictures and possibly videos too thanks

[CrazyEwok]

I will try to get some tonight... they will be off my phone camera though unfortunately and it is only 5 mega pixils... I will be only getting some general pictures trying to get everything in one photo to prove no hidden wires or batteries. If there is some particular aspect of this you want photo's of in more detail you'll need to say so.

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[Koen1]

Can you give some clearer and more detailed information about your setup?
For example:
- what type of magnet are you using exactly? (Neodymium? Is it coated with nickel or gold?)
- what exactly is the output you measured? (millivolts and milliamps please)
- you say output drops when no load is attached... So then what kind of load did you use, and does that
only keep the ouput at a certain slightly higher level, or does adding the load actually increase
the output? If so, that's very interesting, because that reeks of negative resistance and that is
fundamentally OU.
- how do you see a piece of wet napkin as a nonmagnetic, nonmetallic conductor? Paper is an isolator,
water is an isolator, I see zero conductor there. Are you using one of those nice white paper napkins?
If so, are you sure they don't contain certain electrolytes left over from the bleeching process, that cause
the napkin to become slightly "conductive" when it is wet? More so, if it is remnants of hydrochloric
acid bleeching or something similar, you might just have built yourself a low grade chemical battery.
In that case not only would the output be the result of a galvanic reaction, but the electrolytes from
the napkin would stimulate that. Does it also work with other napkins? Ones that are not chemically
treated? Or does this specific type of napkin only come in bleeched pearly white?

One possible method to check if you're not getting mostly galvanic reactions, is simply by replacing
the nickel-coated magnet with a piece of pure nickel. Or if your magnet is coated in gold, use a piece
of pure gold instead. If it produces comparable voltage when you wrap your napkin around it, attach
the pieces of steel, and add water, then clearly you have a form of galvanic ("wet") cell.
Also, do not forget that when the steel/iron is attracted to the magnet, this produces pressure, and
different metals under pressure are known to produce voltage. So if your magnetless steel-and-nickel
version does not produce volts just yet, try putting it in a vice and putting quite a lot of pressure on the
stack. There is a chance that it will produce output in these circumstances. ("Dry" pile)

And regarding your "Faraday" homopolar disc generator remarks; How, in your opinion, would that account for the
fact that it also works the other way around? I mean: when you pump current through the setup, the disc will
rotate. Although a "weaker" electron shell would, at first glance, appear to provide insight into why current of
electrons is "flung" outward by centrifugial force, it does not seem to explain why the centrifuge would start
to spin when we "suck" an electron current out of it. That does not seem to be related to any "weakened"
electron shell of the atoms in the metal of the centrifuge...

Kind regards,
Koen

[CrazyEwok]

Good Morning People,
Ahhh Koen I see your here... Excellent... Now 2 things... 1. i do believe that water does conduct electricity... if it didn't it wouldn't matter if you submersed your motherboard in water to keep it cool... If your adamant about water not conducting try that one  (i never said a good conductor just that it is one)
2. My theory on this is only a theory. IMO there are millions of theorys out there, it take time to prove them right or wrong. The running idea was that you needed something nonconductive to separate the magnet. people have proven this wrong by using better dielectrics, so one theory written off time to relook at the originat obervation.
Now i did say i had further testing to do, and with a 2 little girls and a full time job my disposable time is limited. I didn't rule out that this isn't a galvanic reaction it is still observations at the moment. That is why i asked on this forum hoping that people that better understand this reaction to propose specific varibles that would rule out this reaction. So far i have 2 test to try on the weekend if i can.
1. Change the water for another liquid perhaps one that doesn't conduct at all... i have seen a computer run in a "vat" of oil so i am considering exchanging the water for oil and seeing how this changes the voltage.
2. Using different connectors instead of steel clips. Zinc coated nails, copper & nickle coated washers... if i can get my hands on some. Now you seem to understand galvanic reactions.
Want to short list my proposed tests with any ideas that will confirm or disprove your ideas indefinatly?

Also in response to your questions about my theory of magnets "loosening" the electron shells. the current you are placing through the wires would have to be strong enough to counter the centrafugal forces of the electrons. Example : spinning disk with a lip, place small balls in it they will go to the edges right... but you can push the balls towards the middle, if the force you apply is greater that the centralfugal forces acting on the ball... so your current must be stronger or applied to be stronger to counter the forces working against your desired movement of the electrons.

"One possible method to check if you're not getting mostly galvanic reactions, is simply by replacing
the nickel-coated magnet with a piece of pure nickel. Or if your magnet is coated in gold, use a piece
of pure gold instead. If it produces comparable voltage when you wrap your napkin around it, attach
the pieces of steel, and add water, then clearly you have a form of galvanic ("wet") cell.
Also, do not forget that when the steel/iron is attracted to the magnet, this produces pressure, and
different metals under pressure are known to produce voltage. So if your magnetless steel-and-nickel
version does not produce volts just yet, try putting it in a vice and putting quite a lot of pressure on the
stack. There is a chance that it will produce output in these circumstances. ("Dry" pile)"

wouldn't a better method be to replace the known reactives with a nonreactive rather than a known reactive? thus cancelling out the galvanic reaction rather than making a small battery?

Yes my napkin is the nice pearly white one... the only one on hand... If this is galvanic i want to make it less likly to happen to see if voltage levels drop. Not more likely.

As i said help would be nice but rather than building something else can we keep the same basics (magnet - Nonmagnetic conductor - magnetic conductor) as i believe that this is more reliable way testing that this might work rather than a quik dismissal.