magnetic battery

Groundloop · June 25, 2008, 05:20:28 PM

@resonanceman,

Well, I'm not sitting on my butt regarding testing of free energy devices! LOL :-)

I remember back in 1998 (or so) when I first read about the MEG. I then thought that
it was a very nice looking equipment. Now that I actually have a unit on my desk, it looks
more like a monster. :-) I have spent a huge amount of money and time on the unit,
and I have used the best parts that where available to me. Now we have reached 2008,
that is 10 years. In ten years the Bearden's team has not managed to get the unit out
to the market. I also remember a Yahoo group dedicated to the MEG replica. (Maybe the
group still is active?) As far as I have checked, none of the members of that group got a
running o/u unit. Now here we have a lot of people trying out all sorts of configurations.
I bet that someone in this group also have tried another coil setup than me. What I'm trying
to say is that the only thing we have is Bearden's claim that the unit works, and Naudin's replica.
Looking at Naudin's replica, he never tried to loop the unit into a self runner. He also burned some resistors with high voltage (changing the value of the resistors) to get the "correct" output readings.

I'm closing in on my vacation soon and will not have the time to do any work on the MEG until late this year. Maybe I'm 99.99% there. Time will tell.

Groundloop.

[EDIT] I found the MEG group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/message/1359

resonanceman · June 25, 2008, 06:20:08 PM

Quote from: Groundloop on June 25, 2008, 05:20:28 PM
@resonanceman,

Well, I'm not sitting on my butt regarding testing of free energy devices! LOL :-)

I remember back in 1998 (or so) when I first read about the MEG. I then thought that
it was a very nice looking equipment. Now that I actually have a unit on my desk, it looks
more like a monster. :-) I have spent a huge amount of money and time on the unit,
and I have used the best parts that where available to me. Now we have reached 2008,
that is 10 years. In ten years the Bearden's team has not managed to get the unit out
to the market. I also remember a Yahoo group dedicated to the MEG replica. (Maybe the
group still is active?) As far as I have checked, none of the members of that group got a
running o/u unit. Now here we have a lot of people trying out all sorts of configurations.
I bet that someone in this group also have tried another coil setup than me. What I'm trying
to say is that the only thing we have is Bearden's claim that the unit works, and Naudin's replica.
Looking at Naudin's replica, he never tried to loop the unit into a self runner. He also burned some resistors with high voltage (changing the value of the resistors) to get the "correct" output readings.

I'm closing in on my vacation soon and will not have the time to do any work on the MEG until late this year. Maybe I'm 99.99% there. Time will tell.

Groundloop.

[EDIT] I found the MEG group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MEG_builders/message/1359

Groundloop

I checked out that messageboard ..........not much point in me spending much time there.

I don't have the education to follow the math or fancy names for everything . ( dyslexia )

That doesn't mean that I can't recognise a problem when I see one .
This is as simple to me as telling the difference between jet black and pure white.

I will try one more time to explain .

For lack of a better analogy ......... your control coils SHOULD be acting much like a field effect transistor .
They should be pinching off the flux in one direction and making it easier to flow in the other direction.
In order to do this they must be relatively unaffected by stray flux from the magnet .

In your MEG the magnet is right next to the place where the control coil needs to pinch off the flux .
At the point that the flux should get cut off you have VERY strong flux from the magnet .
As long as you have such strong flux directly from the magnet at your pinch point there is no way that it can pinch it off .

That is my final attempt
Do I expect you to listen? NO
You obviously have more education than I do ........and more experience building .
What could I possably understand that you don't understand? .

One thing they don't teach is collage is common sense . ........to me this is just a common sense problem .

Sorry if this sounds a little hostile .
It is not about you .
I get this kind of thing all the time .
If you don't have the right math formula or the right technical term ........you get no respect .

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Enjoy your vacation

gary

Groundloop · June 25, 2008, 07:00:05 PM

@resonanceman,

I did understand you the first time. And I DO respect and value your input.

I will try to change the layout the next time I have time to work on my MEG unit.

What I'm not sure of is the idea, that it is possible to control the flux this way.
The "accepted" theory is that if you restrict the flow a little in one direction and
"help" the flow a little in the other direction then you can switch the flux from
the magnet from one side to the other with little input and thus get a total gain
in your system. The idea is that the magnetic flux will go the least resistant
way in the core. I'm not convinced that this happens at all even if the magnetic
simulators tells that it is happening.

In my tests (so far) it more looks like we have a 50% flux field in both directions
of the core with equal strength. It seems that this flux is constant and that the
control coils just shuttle its own flux back and forth through the core as if the
magnet is not there at all. I must add that the MEG on my web is not the first
unit that I have made. I have tested with toroid cores and ferrite cores also.

[EDIT] I have added a drawing that illustrate what I'm trying to say here.

Maybe we can only control the flux from the magnet when the core is at (or
very close) to saturation?

I must also add that I do not have any college educations (or other higher educations) :-)

Groundloop.

resonanceman · June 25, 2008, 07:50:43 PM

Quote from: Groundloop on June 25, 2008, 07:00:05 PM
@resonanceman,

I did understand you the first time. And I DO respect and value your input.

I will try to change the layout the next time I have time to work on my MEG unit.

What I'm not sure of is the idea, that it is possible to control the flux this way.
The "accepted" theory is that if you restrict the flow a little in one direction and
"help" the flow a little in the other direction then you can switch the flux from
the magnet from one side to the other with little input and thus get a total gain
in your system. The idea is that the magnetic flux will go the least resistant
way in the core. I'm not convinced that this happens at all even if the magnetic
simulators tells that it is happening.

In my tests (so far) it more looks like we have a 50% flux field in both directions
of the core with equal strength. It seems that this flux is constant and that the
control coils just shuttle its own flux back and forth through the core as if the
magnet is not there at all. I must add that the MEG on my web is not the first
unit that I have made. I have tested with toroid cores and ferrite cores also.

Maybe we can only control the flux from the magnet when the core is at (or
very close) to saturation?

I must also add that I do not have any college educations (or other higher educations) :-)

Groundloop.

Do ANY of your MEGs have a space of at least 1/2 the width of the magnet between the control coils and the magnet?

In my opinion you should have half of the flux on each side if you have no control coils or non working control coils .
As far as if the theory is workable . there are quite a few other similar devices out there. I have no reason to doubt the theory .
I also have spent some time on the Bearden website
I think he is a man of integrity

I just had a flash ........ Sometimes I have a complete concept flash into my mind .....I read that Tesla had flashes like that alot . ........ they cuused him alot of suffering in his later years because he could no longer act on them .

Anyway ............how do you drive your control coils?
Now it looks to me like the way to drive them is with a sharp spike designed to ring them into resonance . ...... of course a a cap is needed to go with each coil . ...

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have you read much from this site?

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/

The part about the MEG starts on chapter 3 page 12
There are other similar devices in that chapter

gary

Groundloop · June 25, 2008, 08:02:05 PM

@resonanceman,

The toroid version and the ferrite core versions had spacings between the magnet and the control coils.
I have also tried to put one control coil at the top and one control coil at the bottom. And I have tried
to have the control coils at the same "leg" as the output coils on the ferrite version.

On my newest MEG I drive the control coils with a modified Bedini cap pulser. The coils is alternate
switched on and off.

I will check the web site link you posted, thanks.

[EDIT] I have read the document and there are some good tips there that I can try out.

Groundloop.