URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[bumfuzzled]

Hi bumfuzzled and all,

I understand that many may be eager to attempt to start building these circuits to test them but I must stress that unless you understand how they operate, as well as have some experience in building and testing electronic circuits, it is likely to be an expensive and possibly also dangerous excercise for you. So please understand what you are building and how it works before you proceed as there are many traps for the inexperienced.

One these traps that is most likely the cause of people blowing up their all solid state inverters is that the HV pulse from an ignition coil can be either positive or negative. In all of my circuits, the ignition coil pulse is always positive. But in practise, it can be either.

To accommodate this you will need to make sure your inverter's input and output is isolated fully from the ignition coil circuit. There must not be any common ground connections. You must then test the polarity of you ignition coil's output pulse by using a long string of LV diodes or some HV microwave oven diodes, preferable 3 or four in series, to prove if the HV pulse coming out of your ignition coil is negative or positive. Once you have proved this, then when you connect the output of the diode string from you inverter circuit, you will connect it to the spark plug positive if your ignition coil pulse is positive or to the spark plug ground, if your ignition coil pulse is negative.

Regards,

Ossie

Thanks Ossie, I'll give this a try and I'm also gonna put the inverter on a seperate battery just to be safe because when it blew up I was not pulsing the high voltage. I had the entire circuit hooked up and ready to go but as soon as I turned on the inverter it blew. So do you think since I have to reverse polarity on the IC that I need the diodes on the other side??

Hi bumfuzzled, which circuit are you using?

At everyone, I have posted this before but I will say it again since some don't read all my posts. Look at the first page of this topic again. I have updated it and my circuit. You need to re-read page one since there are many text changes which can help you.

Luc

I'm using Ossie's circuit but I will go back and read the first page again and see if I can learn something. Thanks guys for all the help yer giving everybody, especially me because as my username states electricity bumfuzzles me!

[k4zep]

All you have to do is remove the key from the flywheel then you can set the timing wherever you want. Just be sure to tighten the flywheel back down real good. Yes there's some guess work but you can get it close enough. This is what the go kart racers do to them.

I have an old Honda 550 4 cylinder sitting in the shed that would be easy as far as getting the timing right but 4 cylinders would be much harder to get running than one cylinder so I'll stick with the little B&S for now.

Right on.

Please realize this is NOT an Carb. vaporizer ignition device.  What a difference an on demand direct distilled water mist injection system on the plug, to the head would make!!!!!  A idealized injector system would be slightly different than a normal fuel oriented injected mist to vapor system in that it would be oriented towards the plug and not as direct into the combustion chamber only.   My kingdom for a workspace and a machine shop!  If folks on this list are not excited now, just roll over and watch the Simpson's and forget about it! 

Ben

[callanan]

Thanks Ossie, but what I was thinking of was purely about proving the new circuit on the bench (my build quality) - with this in mind is it okay to drive it with the srobe, in the way I had mentioned, before considering attaching it to an ICE?

Hi stu,

Only if you intend your ICE to run at 60 rpm at most for a single cylinder 2 stroke or 120 rpm for a single cylinder 4 stroke. Just put your points in series with the output of the xenon tube to fire at the right time.

Regards,

Ossie

[k4zep]

Thanks Ossie, I'll give this a try and I'm also gonna put the inverter on a seperate battery just to be safe because when it blew up I was not pulsing the high voltage. I had the entire circuit hooked up and ready to go but as soon as I turned on the inverter it blew. So do you think since I have to reverse polarity on the IC that I need the diodes on the other side??

I'm using Ossie's circuit but I will go back and read the first page again and see if I can learn something. Thanks guys for all the help yer giving everybody, especially me because as my username states electricity bumfuzzles me!

Try a 110VAC light bulb in series with the high side of the inverter/diode chain. Put it between the INVERTER output and the DIODE. This will protect the inverter and fix the big spike on it during pulses! It will light up when motor is running and limit current. Ossie is dead on about polarities!  In that video on YouTube of the kick start motorcycle motor that almost runs, notice the bulb.


Ben

[callanan]

Alright, alright, perhaps I'm just a bit overanxious to get to the engine part.
I'll turn it down a bit.

I just got the impression we were already doing very well with the plasma ignition
and the circuit that I thought we might be ready to move to the engine part of
the story already.
And since s1r9a9m9 has been posting about his working V8, I thought "here we go".

But if you guys want to work out the circuit some more and come up with a
"standardised" circuit for this before we start trying things in engines,
that's fine with me.
Don't let my enthousiasm complicate your circuit tests.

@xbox hacker: hehe, I see someone else is anxious to get this to work
in an engine setup So, let me see if I got you: you used a mower engine,
pulled out the spark plug, hooked it to the circuit and adjusted some things
so it worked and produced the plasma ignition effect just like Ossie and
Lucs curcuit does...  But it only works if the plug is not "grounded" to the body
of the mower? Hmm...

Hi Koen,

I really only can answer your sentiments here by stressing how important it is for people to get the electronics and the discharge plasma right before trying to apply it to an engine. Even though we can present it as simple, for many lesser experienced, in practice I am sure it is not simple for them. But we must endevour to assist people to understand and get the electronics and discharge right. This is because if people were to jump straight in and try and get a motor running, without the correct plasma discharge, they will fail and if many people fail they will report it as so and then sooner than later everyone will be saying it does not work, cannot work and never had worked. So where as I applaud people for going ahead and trying to get an engine to run I am hesitant to encourage them to do so before they are able to understand and get the electronics and the correct plasma discharge occuring in their spark plugs, because if they don't they are doomed to failure.

Regards,

Ossie