URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[callanan]

The Graneau report indicates that it's the "Ampere force or Ampere Tension" that causes the explosion.  Is that just a way of saying that it's Current/Amps that does it?  If so - is a high voltage brute force counterproductive? 

A 12V lead acid battery can deliver massive amps with a dead short - way more than an inverter. 

Has anybody tried connecting the battery directly to the spark plug via diodes?  Nothing could possibly flow until there was a plasma spark bridging the gap? 

If the higher volts aren't actually required, it would simply be wasting Watts - if Amps are all that matter (once the plasma bridge is formed). 

Hi greendoor,

It is quite correct that you only need amps. But then the question of at what voltage the amps needs to be applied is purely determined by the voltage across the spark plug gap when hit by the ionising HV pulse of the ignition coil. The voltage from your battery or inverter or other power supply that is to provide the amps needs to be higher than the voltage across the ionised spark plug gap for the energy to flow into the ionised gap and produce the plasma.

The voltage of the ionised spark gap is determined by a number of factors. In particular is the spark gap distance, as well as the conductivity of the air in which moisture plays a role and finally there is the voltage and current coming from the ignition coil/pulse.

In practice I have found that by reducing the spark gap to as small as about .3 mm I can get the plasma to occur with applied voltages as low as 24 volts. But a gap so small is not too functional and is prone to clogging and shorting. A good size gap needs at least 90-100 volts applied to the spark gap to produce the plasma.

In regard to the power required. A continuous DC source will only waste input energy if one is to take advantage and increase the overall efficiency of the process. Increasing the efficiency must be done by altering the time that the minimum required energy to produce the plasma and explode the required amount of water is applied. This must be done with a DC pulse discharge for the minimum time period required. Typically a capacitor discharge performs this purpose well.

In regard to the output energy from the exploding water, if we were to make a comparative analysis, with the assumption that the exploding water process yields more output energy than the electrical energy put into the process, with a petrol explosion that is also ignited by the same spark we would find that the total output energy is not caused by the localised process of the ignition spark igniting the petrol, but we would find that it is the chain reaction in the petrol gas where each igniting gas molecule releases more energy that ignites the next molecule, and so on until all or most of the petrol gas has been ignited. If we apply this same analysis to water we would also find that if the exploding water indeed produced more energy than what was required to ignite it, then we may also assume that a chain reaction will take place where the water molecules will continue to ignite themselves until most or all have been ignited. But the water needs to be under the right pressurised conditions in the ignition cavity, just like the petrol gas is under the right conditions in the cylinder of a combustion engine.

Regards,

Ossie

[aether22]

There is an advantage to discharging a coil as opposed to straight inverter output or energy from a cap, the coil as used by s1r will have a high or low a voltage as required, if the resistance is low it will put more amps over a longer period of time, if it is high it will generate a higher voltage.

Of course using a collapsing field from a coil is also somewhat tricky to get just right.

[callanan]

Hi callanan and Luc,
First of all congratulation and thank you for your so much important discovery.
Can you please callanan give us a description of how the cricuit operates (the one with the sin generator).. why is the use of the xenon light. Is it acting like a switch ? I am having trouble imagining how is works.

Thank you

Hi rednael,

You are correct. The xenon tube is only acting as a switch to discharge the 14uf, 350V capacitor inside the strobe light circuit. In regard to the operation of the circuits I have posted, please read through this thread from the beginning as I have describe most things about them in my previous posts. Here is a summary of some of my posts in chronological order.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108614.html#msg108614
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108731.html#msg108731
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108838.html#msg108838
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg108956.html#msg108956
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109072.html#msg109072
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109229.html#msg109229
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109420.html#msg109420
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.msg109475.html#msg109475

Regards,

Ossie

[greendoor]

I think there are some big questions and big assumptions here.  Have we have ruled out the dissassociation of water into H & O?  Is it agreed that this is a lower temperature effect, being the liberating of latent heat between the liquid & vapour phases of water? 

We are assuming this behaves remotely like conventional petrol or gas combusion engines.  Will a higher compression ratio help or hinder? 

I'm guessing this effect is the working principle of lightening & thunder.  Lightening is known to be plasma discharge.  AFAIK, lightening doesn't need compressed air to work.  In weather terms, aren't storms the result of a low pressure region?  Maybe very low compression engines will be better than high compression? Less wasted power?  Storm clouds tend to be very tall, dense clouds.  I've tended to assume that lightening happens when there is sufficient water "shorting out" the potential difference in the atmosphere. 

Is liquid water better than a mist?

A small percentage of soluble oil might be beneficial mainly to stop rusting being a show stopper.  In time, I expect new engine designs will optimise this process.  Maybe if this is fairly low temp, we could use nylon piston rings or other plastic parts.

Maybe a steam engine type design is the way forward ...

Only experiments will find this out.   

[k4zep]

@All
I just could not walk away without trying something else. I was interested in the usage of the series Xenon and wondered what a Xenon plasma would do and not use the pulse flashing.

Now I admit I have changed things a little, but if you want a shock wave here is how to get it. In a cylinder with a movable piston, fill the cylinder 1/2 full of water with the piston just under the surface, call it a down stroke position. With two SS wires I electrolyze some of the water, the gas stays in the water with much going against the piston. Fire your spark and all hell breaks free. Not only does the gas explode but it appears to cause a secondary reaction that splits off additional that is consumed.
Granted this does not sound good for running a conventional engine, but hey, new engine a water engine. You do not even need oil in the crankcase as water is a fine lube. Now for the best part, the plasma and or the flash can be used to preheat the water and it reacts faster and with more force.

So gentleman maybe its time to go to the lathe and milling machine, this could work, assuming you have a water supply. Oh and I was doing this on 20V@50ma, not bad.

The jury of course is still out on if this is in any way connected to some other form of trigger energy, heck if we can split water and get it to chain react in some way, why not.

Good Morning Dr. Stiffler,

Your discovery of using  a suspended gas in the water and then a plasma pulse setting off the whole mess is a whole new take on this process.  Also, if the piston/cylinder was full at the start of the power pulse, essentially a zero displacement engine due to the incompressibility of the water and then "POW"...as you say all "hell would break loose" as that water/mixture has to go somewhere!

Most excellent
Ben