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URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

Started by gotoluc, June 26, 2008, 06:01:38 PM

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nightlife

 Has anyone thought of using two or more plazma sparks per stroke? One to split and the others to split again?

sparks

  I am not sure if this has been done but back in the day they use to recycle spark plugs.  You would ultrasonic or manually clean the plug and file and regap the electrodes.  Then to make sure they were ok you would screw them into a little box with a viewing window and pressurize the box to 30 or 40psi.  Then view the spark through the window.  I had one of these from an old garage and used it in my youth working in an autoelectric shop. They were also used as a diagnostic tool if you had a skip in cylinder.  They were replaced with oscilliscopes with inductive pickups on the coil wire that would show you how well your ignition was doing without removal and inspection.  Point being compression of the air changes the spark gap characteristics considerably.
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gotoluc

Quote from: sparks on October 11, 2008, 02:30:57 PM
  I am not sure if this has been done but back in the day they use to recycle spark plugs.  You would ultrasonic or manually clean the plug and file and regap the electrodes.  Then to make sure they were ok you would screw them into a little box with a viewing window and pressurize the box to 30 or 40psi.  Then view the spark through the window.  Point being compression of the air changes the spark gap characteristics considerably.

Hi sparks,

you are correct, the spark does preform very differently under pressure.

YouTube user ozicell has made his own pressure chamber to test his own modified plug at about 100 psi..

Here are some of his video's. Keep in mind he is using a standard ignition system only but what he call kiker cables?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6UE345GXoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl9zXE7ntRQ

Luc


maxc

Quote from: gmeast on October 08, 2008, 10:23:19 PM
Hi all,

I've attached the hybrid circuit diagram. It should be noted that the choice of R1 and C1 are critical to the frequency response the circuit will have. For instance if C1 is 22uf and R1 is 55ohms then one RC time constant is 0.0012 seconds. 5X RC gives you a quick enough charge for a 4-cylinder engine turning 5000 RPM. The discharge time is dependent upon the circuit resistance ... it should be kept as low as possible. This will determine how completely the CDI Cap discharges and how much it floats above 0-VDC like shown on the VexUs scope trace in the last video.

In the video I used a 0 - 3500 ohm pot just for test and development since I didn't know what to expect. This is all new to me too.

The mechanism of the circuit is no mystery. Most welding equipment especially Tig welding equipment have a feature called 'high frequency start'. In this type of welding you use a torch that's not really a torch but an electrode holder with a sharp tungsten tip shrouded in inert gas. A high current arc is generated between this tungsten tip and the workpiece and that's the heat source. To start the welding arc you normally would need to touch the tungsten tip to the workpiece. But with 'high freq' a high frequency (low current) spark 'dances' around in the gap between the tungsten and the workpiece ionizing the space and making it very conductive. The high current welding arc now starts all by itself. This is likely what is happening in our circuits. The regular ignition spark is ionizing the spark plug gap allowing the higher current stored in the CDI Cap to flow.

Peace,

Greg


Why not tap power off the 117 dc volts in the inverter and eliminate the full wave rectifier? Or will that cause problems?

gmeast

Quote from: maxc on October 11, 2008, 09:49:15 PM
Why not tap power off the 117 dc volts in the inverter and eliminate the full wave rectifier? Or will that cause problems?

Hi maxc.

Fantastic question.  Anything to eliminate parts is a good thing.  The isolation transformer provides a buffer between the inverter and the circuit and most importantly it isolates the circuit so you can look at it with a scope without smoking the scope.  I guess it depends on the construction of the inverter and one's comfort level with performing surgery on an inverter.   Most people don't have a problem with hooking a FWB to an inverter to get 150 - 180 VDC for their experimentation.  An inverter+FWB=instant gratification.

Peace,

Greg