URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gmeast]

I have been following this thread for a while now and like what I see. As a race engine builder I fully understand the importance and benefit of super high powered ignition systems. I am especially interested in gmeast testing on the vw.

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Sorry for the long post But I wanted to start getting involved with plasma experiments and data exchange. I do have a couple questions.


GMeast::

How is cylinderhead temp differ form stock with your current set up

Do you run an egt gauge?

have you done any emissions tests.  This will show if nox goes up from flame temp. generally nox increases with lean mixtures. But the vapor you introduce can control it. I was curious to if you have emissions test or been able to measure temp of flame in cylinder.


how does the seat of the pants feel power wise......?


If any questions come up please post. I am very open and will answer all questions. Thanks for reading.

Hi higherpoweredh2o,

Well, unfortunately I did not think to embed a TC in the head when I had the engine out for an oil cooler leak issue .... kick me in the head !  But recently I installed a bypass circuit that replaces the old intake manifold heater circuit (new one made of pipe fittings).  This gives me access directly to the #2 exhaust port.  It's just a matter of pipe fittings,  a TC and  readout ... part of the next tests (almost started ...need to do regular work for now).

I'll share this observation.  First I have a lean main jet.  Also the pilot jet is a size smaller.  After warm up, I set a high idle (on the throttle adj screw).  Steam off.  Plasma circuit off.  TC up exhaust pipe showed 475F.  Turned on the steam (not cold vapor).  Exhaust temp (pipe) drops to 350F - 385F.  Engine slows down (obviously loses power).  Plasma circuit on.  Exhaust temp (pipe) 375F - 385F.  Engine speeds up to greater than at start. The TC up the exhaust pipe only indicates a trend.  The actual EGT's are much higher we all know.

Essentially the plasma circuit produces a more energetic combustion allowing the steam to gain pressure and provide additional torque instead of just cooling the combustion gas and losing power. The expansion (compression) ratio is the same so the fully expanded / exhausted volume is cooler and condenses more water out the tailpipe.  With the plasma circuit off, the steam cools the combustion gasses and power is lost.  With the plasma circuit on,  the steam gains pressure and contributes torque.  In both cases the exhaust temp stays nearly the same.  With the plasma circuit and steam on, the engine is running cooler for the same power ... therefore less goes to cooling the engine and more goes to turning the wheels.

For the best, best, best power - pep, I need to advance it nearer 'stock' BUT it runs very, very, well near TDC at cruise.

Now I have been thinking about this timing issue as it applies specifically to the slight detour I've taken away exploding water as the primary fuel.  The steam will take some TIME to build pressure as it robs heat from combustion gas while building pressure in exchange (and in accordance with partial pressure laws).  This, in my opinion, is why II need SOME timing advance.  There is more happening I'm sure.

Thanks for your history, interest and all.  Peace,

Greg

[CowboyRX]

I built the circuit from a few months ago (with 22uF and 470uF cap), which had problems with inverter blow ups. I believe those issues have been resolved. I am having difficulty finding the latest/stable version of the circuit. If anyone can provide the link or schematic, it's much appreciated.

Thanks.

[gmeast]

I built the circuit from a few months ago (with 22uF and 470uF cap), which had problems with inverter blow ups. I believe those issues have been resolved. I am having difficulty finding the latest/stable version of the circuit. If anyone can provide the link or schematic, it's much appreciated.

Thanks.

Hi CowboyRX,

I don't know what others have built but I have had this one on my VW Bug for several months now ... no problems and all of my YouTube Bug videos use what's listed below.

this first file is the pl;asma circuit.  I'm using a 2uF C1 and 500 Ohm X 50 watts for R1.  You can use diode strings or the H.V.  NTE517 microwave oven replacements.  I use four in parallel for each plug ... that's $100.00 for all 16 I used ...allot of $ for just this part of it.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/VW/VexUs_6.jpg

this second file is the oscillator schematic that replaces an inverter.  No voltage multiplier at end though ...use the one shown in first file.  I have not been able to blow this one up yet but I did have to build it. 
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/VW/better.jpg

this third file is a picture of the oscillator.  The caps are 1uF and there is a 15 VDC TVS (transient voltage suppressor) upper left little diode looking thing.
http://home.pacbell.net/gmeast/VW/better_inv.jpg

Th transformer is a Tamura PF24-10 ... 115VAC x 10VAC Series  . The lower transistors are MJ2955 PNP's, the upper transistors in the heat sinks are 2N3055 NPN's.  The 220 ohm x 1/2 W 's are replaced by 50 ohm x 5 W's.  The 12K ohm resistors stay as-is. The empty spaces at the top-left and middle-right are for small cooling fans.  You need the fans for continuous running.

Be careful of the HIGH VOLTAGE.  Peace,

Greg

[CowboyRX]

Thanks Greg. Can I use an off the shelf 150w or larger inverter for the plasma circuit? They are easily available for < $20.

[gmeast]

Thanks Greg. Can I use an off the shelf 150w or larger inverter for the plasma circuit? They are easily available for < $20.

Hi CowboyRX,

I don't think so.  One or two guys have offered up that you can place an inductor (choke) somewhere in a regular inverter's hook up and it will provide the needed protection.  I keep asking for specifics but no on comes forward.  I got so frustrated I searched online and found an oscillator circuit but it was a power HOG.  Then a member in Energetic Forum posted the circuit I sent you.  With the values I gave you it produces AC at 80 - 90 Hz.

If you use an inverter you will also have to include an isolation transformer between the inverter and the multiplier, otherwise the oscillator's transformer serves that function.  If you don't use a multiplier then you have to use a full wave bridge rectifier into the VexUs circuit to get the DC otherwise the multiplier does that for you.

I'm not going to give up requesting specifics about the choke-protector ... oh yeah ... I guess I just made yet another request for assistance in this post ... tee, hee.

I wish I had been able to figure out the problem with exploding inverters ... but the real goal is to explode Water, Huh?

Greg