The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched

[HeairBear]

The problem? The price or cost of the substance.

[Park34]

As much as i have tried to not reply I have a few quesdtions:

What makes Tesla, Einstein etc the know alls?? Why is it assumed they are correct forever??

Why have a contest if you know you are right??

After 30 years of automotive repair I would like jet to explain to me why running lean will destroy an engine?? An engine can be made to run lean just fine. Yes lean can hurt engines in very lean conditions. But as long as exhaust gas temperatures are checked there is no room for concern. Running rich can astually be more harmful. Excess gasoline is allowed to go into the crankaces diluting the oil. I have seen many more engines die from rich conditions than lean.

It is not illegal in minnestoa to tamper with o2 sensors, just the catylitic converters

I have a 4x4 with 4 kasey daylighters each pulling 10 amps, you tell me why when i drive at night with them on for extended periods (due to dear) the gas mileage does not go down??

k im done now

thanks

Park

[xjet]

As much as i have tried to not reply I have a few quesdtions:

What makes Tesla, Einstein etc the know alls?? Why is it assumed they are correct forever??

Well maybe it's stories like this that keep appearing regularly in established scientific journals.  Every time we test Einsteins theories, they seem to be proven stunningly accurate.

Why have a contest if you know you are right??

Because no matter what science I use to back up my claims and no matter what tests I run myself, there will always be those (typically scammers) who'll claim I'm wrong -- producing their own pseudo-scientific ramblings and claims that my tests were somehow flawed.

So, the only way to prove beyond doubt for all concerned is to let those who make the claims prove them in an independent and carefully monitored challenge.

If they are able to do what they claim under close scrutiny then I'm wrong, they're right and they're also a lot richer.

If they are unable to do what they claim then everyone has to admit that I (and the rest of conventional science) was right and that those making the claims were at best "wrong" and at worst, simply trying to scam honest folks out of their hard-earned cash.

After 30 years of automotive repair I would like jet to explain to me why running lean will destroy an engine?? An engine can be made to run lean just fine. Yes lean can hurt engines in very lean conditions. But as long as exhaust gas temperatures are checked there is no room for concern.

Lean-running produces excessive NOx levels (which can produce premature catalytic converter failure) and excessively lean running (of the kind required to get a 25% fuel-saving) will produce burnt valves/seats and promote detonation that can cause piston failure.  But you know that already.

Running rich can astually be more harmful. Excess gasoline is allowed to go into the crankaces diluting the oil. I have seen many more engines die from rich conditions than lean.

So long as an engine is allowed to reach its full operating temperature, rich-running will not cause any measurable contamination of sump-oil because an fuel that does manage to make it into the oil will be vaporized almost immediately at those temps.

What is more likely to cause problems is a lot of very short runs in a cold enviroment.  Even in a well-tuned car, the engine's ECU will cause a rich-run at start-up when cold and if the engine temperature never rises high enough, that contamination can accumulate.  But you know that already.

It is not illegal in minnestoa to tamper with o2 sensors, just the catylitic converters

And it's not illegal here either.

I have a 4x4 with 4 kasey daylighters each pulling 10 amps, you tell me why when i drive at night with them on for extended periods (due to dear) the gas mileage does not go down??

Because the vast majority of the energy your engine generates goes into overcoming aerodynamic drag, internalf friction and rolling resistance.  40A at 12V is just 480W - or 0.643HP.  That's not going to have a big effect on your MPG.

[Park34]

agreed on most parts:

I live in minnesota and im sorry but the exxsesive fuel does not always get vaporized, i have seen cars running rough have over 2 quarts of gas in the oil, most after and oil change begin to knock and are toast. I used to have a 7 gas analyzer at my shop, we dont have smog tests here for years now so i got rid of it. But i am not convined on your excess nox emissions running lean. I would anticipate a rich bad burn to increase that. And from my gm training i would have to disagree with a lean car injuring the converters. I have had to replace converters that have lit on fire due to excessive rich conditions due to bad o2 sensors. The converter can only burn up so much excess fuel. But i know u know most of these things. I am not here to fight about it. I am trying one out yeah. Why due to curiosity mainly. And i have the equipment at hand to do most testing adn even ECM reprogramming if nessecary. Your veiws are not incorrect to where you are coming from and i dont have the knowledge to debunt you. I am not einstein etc. But i do feel that if they could have all lived longer we wold have greater things. I have found in my life there is always something new to be discovered.

The only complaint i have is taht most assume HHO is overunity. I have to disagree with them. Yes u are using the enigne to produce the power. And i realize you cant get more out than u put in. But i do ask this:

if the spark from the engine ignites the gasoline, am i correct to assume that the energy of the spark IE 45000 volts times 2-3 amps if i rememebr correctly is more than the horspower created??

[maxc]

Every fuel system programmer knows you can "program the ECM" too get 20% better mileage and still pass emissions test.
My system can rapidly condense the exhaust. Separate the good stuff. Then polarize "it" energize "it" shoot it back into the engine.
Is it in the rules you have to use the alt for powering the HHO production or what ever?