The One Million Dollar HHO Challenge is launched

[fuzzytomcat]

That's a very amusing (but rather incorrect) report.

I'm an American and I'm  NOT LAUGHING ! OR THINK THIS IS FUNNY !

[squegee69]

So long as the gas being generated didn't produce more energy than it took to create it, the laws of thermodynamics remain intact.

In the Arc Atomic-Hydrogen process, a flame is generated from Hydrogen gas passing through a HV arc.   The heat of the flame in this particular effect is on the order of hundreds of times the magnitude expected from a simple Hydrogen burn.

Quoting Bearden on the Arc Atomic-Hydrogen reaction:

"The point is that any charge produces a continuous flow of real, usable EM energy from the vacuum.  Thermodynamically we are describing a nonequilibrium steady-state (NESS) system, and such a system is permitted to continuously emit energy (received from its environment). The charge also falsifies the present second law of thermodynamics to any size level and time duration desired, because the emitted photons do form deterministic EM fields and potentials as a function of radial distance.  One calculates the field intensity and potential intensity at any radial point, by a deterministic formula -- not by the use of statistics."

The information is highly available around the web, and if you don't trust Tom Bearden, there are UNLV and Cambridge researchers who've published findings that come up in the same google query.

As stated before, I've seen it, in person and it is very impressive.  Too bad this technology was essentially wiped away from modern countries 60+ years ago in favor of more energy consuming methods.  Of course, this type of reaction would probably cremate a combustion engine, so the concept is not necessarily apropos to the topic.  I was merely commenting upon your reliance on the stated laws of thermodynamics.

[xjet]

I'm an American and I'm  NOT LAUGHING ! OR THINK THIS IS FUNNY !

Then you ought to read more about it and you'll realize that the DIY Cruise Missile project may well have saved lives by highlighting the risk factor and making authorities more aware of the potential for such things to be built by terrorists.

Has their been a DIY cruise missile attack?  No.  Perhaps their would have been if this project hadn't raised government and public awareness of the risk.

However, this too is off-topic in this thread -- with the exception that clearly I *do* know quite a bit about combustion, physics, chemistry, electronics and engineering.  Points that ought to be considered when our little "master of the universe" is making derogatory comments and questioning my understanding of things ;-)

[0ne]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllEFERJBXc

[utilitarian]

It's funny,

I can create a hydrogen flame with a 12 volt battery and water, and that flame could melt gold.

Although, without water, and only with a 12 volt battery, I can NOT melt gold. (like arc welding).

Wouldn't this mean more energy is coming out then what is going in?

You know, for someone who has just a few posts ago essentially claimed that he knows everything about everything related to science, you sure do seem clueless about the most basic of things.

Can you spot the flaw with your own logic?

Assuming everything you say is true, no, it does not mean there is more energy out than in.  A very brief but intense heat could require less overall energy than a longer, but less intense flame.  So no, you have not more energy out than in yet.  There are a few more measurements to make.