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Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

Started by hartiberlin, October 04, 2005, 06:54:25 PM

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ResinRat2

Quote from: walterj7 on October 03, 2007, 04:57:33 PM
Until Fuel cell's become more affordable I'm thinking the economics of a somewhat larger power requirements might be better accomplished retro-fitting fossil fuel technology with Hydrogen (HOD) on Demand technology.


I agree with you 100%. Remember the first caluculators? They didn't do much, but they cost quite a bit. Now that kind of computing power is obsolete. You have to give it away.

On Dr Griffin's company (AirGen) website they sell a 5Kw generator that runs off of hydrogen and produces electricity through a fuel cell.:

http://www.airgencorp.com/product.html#ag20_generator

It only requires 75 Liters of hydrogen per minute to operate. Now that sounds like something he could easily power with one of his microwave size reactors.

Now nobody is going to tell me it's not possible!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for your interest.

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

walterj7

AirGen will develop products based on their storage/hydrogen generation capacity. Initially, AGC has determined three sizes ? 20 Kg., 4 Kg. and 1 gram ? will meet most of the requirements in the target markets. The products will be modular in design; thus, several of the 20 Kg. systems can easily be integrated for customers requiring larger amounts of hydrogen.

AG20 Generator
The AG20 generators will be designed to provide a ready supply of 20 Kg. of hydrogen gas. This is sufficient to operate a 5kW fuel cell (75 standard liters per minute flow rate) for a period of 48 continuous hours. Target applications include DC backup power for wireless telecom stations.


I would love to get one of these. How???


ResinRat2

Guess I didn't read very well. They are being DEVELOPED. Which means, not available yet.
Sorry for the misread.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

ResinRat2

Hi Everyone,

I had my reactor running for the last 24 hours. Using the rubber stoppers around the electrodes works very well, no leaks formed after the temperature dropped so this is the way I will do it from now on.

I was running the fan off the larger fuel cell, and the second fuel cell I had set up to regenerate one of the zinc electrodes at the same time the other zinc electrode was used in the hydrogen generation. This looks to work as zinc was regenerating, but the voltage was low on the regeneration fuel cell; 142mV. Very small, but the zinc looked to be regenerating.

I see a flaw in my reactor design though, as the gas pressure on either side of the reactor increased, the liquid levels also varied. I left it running in the morning, and after I got back home from work I found that the electrolyte had overflowed into the fuel cells as the pressure on the oxygen side had increased too much. I had tried to control the liquid levels by immersing the oxygen tube into a glass of water and varying its depth. This worked for a while, but there are too many variables changing (pressure, density, atmospheric pressure) to keep the liquid levels constant in this design. I see why having gas openings on both sides of the reactor is difficult to use. I just can't maintain constant liquid levels.

I am redesigning the reactor to compensate for this; but at least the leaking around the electrodes is fixed.

Thank you for your interest.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

walterj7

Hey Resin,

I'm a little concerned about your report about the dissimilar pressure situation you reported from prolonged reactor operation.

I'm assuming that there must be some reason your NOT just venting the Oxygen to atmosphere?

Maybe just on general principals?

But I do see, what I would call, 'operational problems' with having two sealed reactions operating simultaneously.

Might be that the unusual reactor design Dr.Griffin showed in his first video could have helped in those issues by giving the Oxygen side a proportionally smaller surface area for the (oxygen) pressure to act upon and thus might kind of balance out the effect of the larger molecule? Just a thought.

Walterj