Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[Dingus Mungus]

A general note regarding dissimilar metals.
When we place dissimilar metals in any electrolyte solution we get a galvanic effect, basically we've created a battery, where the metals are consumed/altered.
The Idea for a great invention would be to create H without destroying the metals but only consuming water, or if any reverse plating is required it needs to take less energy to do than the energy produced by the device, otherwise we just created a low efficiency battery.

This is not the case actually, I have been playing with galvanic/voltaic reactions for years.
(saltwater cell/urine cell/ironoxide cell/dry pile)

This cell actually uses two highly reactive colloidal metals, one a reducer, one a oxidizer. The reducer colloid accepts the oxidation before the zinc and then reacts with the oxidizer colloid to release the oxygen. Thats is what subsection [0059] describes at least. I just want to make sure people realize this is not a normal galvanic cell, and it deserves intense research. Most normal galvanic cells would not spawn gas at the cathode, it would be plating the cathode and reducing the anode, rarely producing gas unless taking it from a acid. In this reaction I do not believe the cathode is recieving plating, but only tests will tell us for sure.

[Dingus Mungus]

AHHHHH! My head is going to explode! - ouch!

Ionic electrovalent bonded molecules interacting with more positive ionic metals, finding the entrophy and enthalpy plus Gibbs from room temp, determining if each reaction is spontanious or not... But there is way too much going on in this cell for me to unserstand it at this time. The chemistry required to transcribe each reactions details step by step in this forum is over my head. I doubt I would get even close to accurate to whats actually happening. I'm lacking in the chemisty knowlege required for that. I'll still be building a test cell though.


Is there a chemist in the house?

[mikestocks2006]

A general note regarding dissimilar metals.
When we place dissimilar metals in any electrolyte solution we get a galvanic effect, basically we've created a battery, where the metals are consumed/altered.
The Idea for a great invention would be to create H without destroying the metals but only consuming water, or if any reverse plating is required it needs to take less energy to do than the energy produced by the device, otherwise we just created a low efficiency battery.

This is not the case actually, I have been playing with galvanic/voltaic reactions for years.
(saltwater cell/urine cell/ironoxide cell/dry pile)

This cell actually uses two highly reactive colloidal metals, one a reducer, one a oxidizer. The reducer colloid accepts the oxidation before the zinc and then reacts with the oxidizer colloid to release the oxygen. Thats is what subsection [0059] describes at least. I just want to make sure people realize this is not a normal galvanic cell, and it deserves intense research. Most normal galvanic cells would not spawn gas at the cathode, it would be plating the cathode and reducing the anode, rarely producing gas unless taking it from a acid. In this reaction I do not believe the cathode is recieving plating, but only tests will tell us for sure.

Hi Dingus.

ResinRat2 wrote earlier:
I have a 5% NaOH solution here at work that I am now reducing by evaporation to a 10% concentration as outlined in the patent. I purchased 50ppm colloidal silver and 350ppm colloidal magnesium from the health food store. I also obtained a tungsten carbide electrode from a welding supply near me, and I plan on using a galvanized nail for the zinc electrode. I also have the copper wire for the connection. I am going to try to replicate the experiment exactly (concentrations of colloidal suspensions).


Note the 10% NaOH solution, and 2 dissimilar metals. Are we not having a galvanic cell? So yes I think this maybe the case in general, (easy to find out and/or prove, experiment) Having said that however; the other components maybe used to prevent consumption of the tungsten carbide and zinc or to at least inhibit plating? Not sure...

[ResinRat2]

Hi Dingus,

I have been spending some time today, on and off, writing down the chemical and electrical interactions of the cell. I'm trying to get a more complete understanding of the experiment #13 and all that's involved.

Beginning on paragraph 0122 of the patent a more "vigorous" reaction is described using an aluminum-acid type of cell. Once I study what went on in # 13; I may look at this one as a possible next direction. I think this is the reaction shown in the 350ml/min video. I might be wrong but it could be a likely candidate, since it is described as almost "uncontrollable". Now THAT sounds interesting don't you think?

I hope so many people jump onboard experimenting with Linnard's work that it will spread like wildfire.

The only problem is I need to find a SAFE way to operate these experiments. That means carefully controlling the gasses that result. I don't think that doing these experiments at where I work is an option now. Technically I need to do a Management of Change Review with the Safety Committee. There is NO WAY they would approve the production of explosive gasses in the company.

It was fun and interesting to try it though.

Thanks for your interest.

By the way, my reactor is dismantled now. The experiment is over for now.

[Dingus Mungus]

@ Mike, I would have to agree that two dissimilar metals in an electrolyte is a galvanic cell, but the addition of two other dissimilar metals in that galvanic reaction is what throws me off. Its not a normal wet cell and does not truely behave like one either. The principles are the same but the outcome is quite different...

@ Resin Rat, Don't forget to take in to account the heat and potential changes of each endo/exo reaction... Thats when my head started pounding. LOL! I hope you will post your figures so I'll know where I overcomplicated my proofs. Good luck with the equations and thank you for your expertise and time. Please keep us updated on your progress as you are head of the class at the moment.

I would also agree that safty should be our #1 concern for all of our fellow members. Trying each cell with minimal cathode and anode surface areas will slow the reaction rate, and adding a fuel cell will convert as much of the hydrogen back to water as possible. With these two precautions, we should be successful in maintaning user safty. Outdoors only of course...

Please let us know of any other safety suggestions any of you may have!

Also I'm now convinced the info we are all looking for is contained in subsections 56-59. Subsection 59's closing sentance does makes reference to an acidic electrolyte being used in the ambient heat powered cell mentioned in the evworld article. This is all quite amaizing, and I know in time we will prove successful in replicating the cell.

Again... THANK YOU ALL!!!
~Dingus