Water for fuel - diesel

[HaroldCR]

Here's the messages I received by 2 different people.

  Maybe it will help someone get a Diesel injected with HHO.

  "Harold here is a link to some water injection devices. You may already have this booked marked though.
www.free-energy-info.co.uk/index.html Good luck keep, me posted if you will."


Second guy:

http://cloudtops.com/fog_nozzles.htm

I still go back to what they show in the link.  This is about the only way I know how to deliver a fog.
Put one in each intake runner and let the piston pull it in.  There is really nothing you can put directly
into the cylinder head or shoot directly into the chamber without MAJOR reengineering.



A gas fuel injector has a line comming into it from a shared fuel rail.  Pressure is about 40-60 psi. 
THe injector is basically a solenoid that has power on one side (hot all the time) and is actuated by grounding
the other side.  A small pintle opens up and fuel flows past it and to the tip where it is atomized. 
I don't know if a fuel injector will atomize the water sufficiently though, havn't tried that before.
I do know those button atomizers do a very good job and get about as fine of a mist that I think you are looking for.


What ever you use for a water storage tank you can use a high pressure fuel pump in the tank.
Can pick them up for cheap at any parts store.  There is a pick up sock in the bottom where the fuel
is pulled into the pump, a line that goes to the fuel rail (high pressure) and a return line.
The newer fuel systems operate on a returnless system where the pump regulates the volume and pressure. 
Older (pre 2006) systems return what ever wasn't used.  It had a regulator on the fuel rail that would keep
the pressure constant (pumps have the capacity of putting out over 100psi but it is hard on them thermally speaking).

Most diesels have a cam or crank sensor, if it is an electronic type system, or other timing sensor to tell the injectors when to open.
It sends a signal to a computer that in turn interprets the signal and fires injectors at the right time.
The system you are looking at doing does not require milisecond accuracy, just knowing how many degrees of engine
rotation the intake valve is open and what the firing order is.
The electronics part is kind of out of my league as far as desiging but the basic principle is you need an
RPM signal comming in, a timing signal (cam or crank sensor).  On the output side will be a hot wire that
feeds the injectors and a method to give them ground at the right time.  Gas injectors usually are fired in miliseconds.

[ramset]

Harold thanks for the links will look and get back  Chet

[HHO King]

I just found this at Extreme HHO. It's a nice 30 amp Pulse Width Modulator with a built in gauge.
http://www.extremehho.com

[BrianM7625]

This all sounds great to me. The high compression ratio of the diesel engine compresses the fuel in turn increasing the temp. to the point of detonation. Water turns into a Brown's gas a little over 900 degrees. Seems to me an electrode or set of electrodes, maybe a positive and negative needs to be designed to fit the combustion chamber. I think also an oil or lubricant needs to be developed to keep the upper end lubed and rust free. I saw a very cool slow turning Lister type diesel 3000 watt generator. .0296 gallons an hour at full-load. http://www.generatorsales.com. I haven't read all the posts on this subject but I'm glad I've found it. A friend off mine has a VW diesel with two Browns' gas generators putting out a liter a minute apiece and gets 70 mpg's. Back to the subject about what does it cost to build the plasma generator? Good reading, Brian

[Spewing]

A member said we should design a HHO set up for diesel and I thought I would start a new thread and dedicate it to designing a HHO on demand set up for diesels and not just small trucks but for semi?s and large diesel tractors as well.

In this following video we have a 14 cell unit designed for a 7.3 diesel. It is not running off just the HHO but I thought it would make for a good start video to help get us going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jlv0_m7834

I have a fleet of diesel wreckers and I will dedicate one for experimenting purposes. I am not sure which one as of right now but I will look them over tomorrow and then decide.

We may be able to utilize something from the following thread that is being discussed at this time.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5024.0.html

I also have other links I will provide as time goes by. I have to locate them and I will post them as I find them again. If anyone else has and or comes across links to info that can help us, please post them so that we can all check them out.

I do ask that everyone welcome all comments with the up most respect and I ask that no one put another member down for a idea they have to offer. We are all here for the same reason.

Thats the attitude that will make this technology work!!! Keep on keeping on!