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chadj2

I already believe that with the adams motor that you should be able to recapture about 99% of the energy used to run the coil. But since you brought up prior experimentation in your younger years I gotta ask; did you ever experiment with the tesla switch? That was my first really shocking experience. According to regular theories that idea should not work since batteries should only charge from amperage and once you have the breakover voltage it no longer plays a part. I spent days experiemnting with the Tesla switch and charging batteries from higher voltage and low amperage and then load testing them to veriefy that the power was actually in the battery (not just some surface charge). That was the major thing that made me question so much of what I was raised to believe about energy.

Chad

hoptoad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 09:48:57 PM
I already believe that with the adams motor that you should be able to recapture about 99% of the energy used to run the coil. But since you brought up prior experimentation in your younger years I gotta ask; did you ever experiment with the tesla switch? That was my first really shocking experience. According to regular theories that idea should not work since batteries should only charge from amperage and once you have the breakover voltage it no longer plays a part. I spent days experiemnting with the Tesla switch and charging batteries from higher voltage and low amperage and then load testing them to veriefy that the power was actually in the battery (not just some surface charge). That was the major thing that made me question so much of what I was raised to believe about energy.

Chad
No, I can't say I have experimented with the Tesla switch. It sounds very interesting. Perhaps you might be able to give me a link to some some info about it?

I'm always willing to try out an experiment (or three !)  - and change my views about something if the evidence suggests I should.

Cheers

chadj2

Well, this is suprising. I may have been wrong in prejudging you. Here is the crux of the experiment. We both know that physics says there is just electron and ionic transfers in flooded lead acid batteries. Basically a 1 for 1 exchange during charging. So in theory if you were to charge a 12 volt lead acid battery with 3 amps from a 14 volt source for 15 minutes you should have the same amount of joules in the battery as charging the same 12 volt battery from 120 volts and 3 amps for 15 minutes. Obviously, to do the second part of that experiment you would probably have to build a PWM circuit and have a current limiting resistor handy. You could also see the effect with lower voltage sources also. For example, I have used 36 volt batteries to charge 12 volt batteries and measured joules out of the 36 volt batteries and then load tested the 12 volt batteries under load. I did this charge discharge process for sometimes full afternoons to make sure it wasnt a false effect. I have no explanation as to why batteries seem to charge from watts rather than just amperage. The point of this is that it is the principle on which the tesla switch works. Here is one link http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html . Here is another link  http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ the website that I just linked to there has a large number of systems which may or may not work but if you go down to chapter 6 there is more information on the tesla switch. I have learned through experimenting with the tesla switch that it will only work on certain loads, meaning that you will be able to recapture 99% of your energy in each pulse. Resistive loads are best it will also run inductive loads provided you dont tap that magnetic field that is building and collapsing (ie using it as a primary in a transformer and pulling power off the secondary). But anyway I have said a lot already. I do have one question for you concerning possible overunity with a common electronic device since you said you have been in the electrical field for many years. Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks

Chad

hoptoad

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 10:39:49 PM
Well, this is suprising. I may have been wrong in prejudging you. Here is the crux of the experiment. We both know that physics says there is just electron and ionic transfers in flooded lead acid batteries. Basically a 1 for 1 exchange during charging. So in theory if you were to charge a 12 volt lead acid battery with 3 amps from a 14 volt source for 15 minutes you should have the same amount of joules in the battery as charging the same 12 volt battery from 120 volts and 3 amps for 15 minutes. Obviously, to do the second part of that experiment you would probably have to build a PWM circuit and have a current limiting resistor handy. You could also see the effect with lower voltage sources also. For example, I have used 36 volt batteries to charge 12 volt batteries and measured joules out of the 36 volt batteries and then load tested the 12 volt batteries under load. I did this charge discharge process for sometimes full afternoons to make sure it wasnt a false effect. I have no explanation as to why batteries seem to charge from watts rather than just amperage. The point of this is that it is the principle on which the tesla switch works. Here is one link http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html . Here is another link  http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/ the website that I just linked to there has a large number of systems which may or may not work but if you go down to chapter 6 there is more information on the tesla switch. I have learned through experimenting with the tesla switch that it will only Twork on certain loads, meaning that you will be able to recapture 99% of your energy in each pulse. Resistive loads are best it will also run inductive loads provided you dont tap that magnetic field that is building and collapsing (ie using it as a primary in a transformer and pulling power off the secondary). But anyway I have said a lot already. I do have one question for you concerning possible overunity with a common electronic device since you said you have been in the electrical field for many years. Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks

Chad
Thanks for the info and links. With regard to the TV questions, they are good questions for which I don't have any reasonable plausable answers.

I'll look into the phenomena and if I come across any information I'll post it to you.

Cheers from Hoptoad

gyulasun

Quote from: chadj2 on September 22, 2008, 10:39:49 PM

... Why does a television CRT have a sudden buildup of charge on the screen right when it is first turned on? The charge soon dissipates but when you turn the television off the high charge appears again for a few moments. I hope I make sense in describing the charge on a television. When you turn a television on and run your hand across the screen you can feel the static charge, but it soon goes away. It does return however when you turn the television off. I have been trying to find the answer to this question for quite a while. Thanks
Chad

Hi Chad,

When you first turn on the TV set, the heater filament in the CRT is still cold hence no beam current can flow, the display is dark. But the horizontal output stage with flyback transformer and hv multiplier (being all solid state) already supply the 25-26kV into the CRT and this is what you can feel with your hand.
It is a surface static charge indeed which mostly gets reduced when the picture comes on, though does not disappear completely if you test it with your arm's hair...
And when you switch the TV set off it is the CRT itself which has its own capacity to store high voltage further on, even for half days or maybe days on. Glass is a very good quality insulator and from this respect the CRT behaves just like a Leyden jar.

rgds,  Gyula