RFI: Bedini, bearden, lindemann class action lawsuite

[Nabo00o]

Hi Chad,

When you first turn on the TV set, the heater filament in the CRT is still cold hence no beam current can flow, the display is dark. But the horizontal output stage with flyback transformer and hv multiplier (being all solid state) already supply the 25-26kV into the CRT and this is what you can feel with your hand.
It is a surface static charge indeed which mostly gets reduced when the picture comes on, though does not disappear completely if you test it with your arm's hair...
And when you switch the TV set off it is the CRT itself which has its own capacity to store high voltage further on, even for half days or maybe days on. Glass is a very good quality insulator and from this respect the CRT behaves just like a Leyden jar.

rgds,  Gyula

Btw, is it true that the capaciators inside the tv can store charge allmost indefinetly?
I have also heard that they can generate their own high voltage which can kill someone if they tries to open tv.

[gyulasun]

Btw, is it true that the capaciators inside the tv can store charge allmost indefinetly?
I have also heard that they can generate their own high voltage which can kill someone if they tries to open tv.

Hi,

Well, capacitors inside the TV sets usually discharge through their appropiate circuits when you switch the set off (and this is not a stand-by switch off with the remote but you push the mains switch off or unplug). The discharge time normally takes max 2-4 minutes to go below safety limit.
The CRT is a different story but then you normally do not access the HV cap inside unless you deliberately unplug the HV cap from the side of the CRT... in this case you still get nasty shocks well after a day or two from the CRT.

What you say in your last sentence it is a memory effect from one hand whenever you discharge a capacitor its dielectic material inside tries to regain its previous "distorted" state which the stored voltage forced it into.
On the other hand, there have been certain capacitor types (mainly used in radio  or television transmitter stations) which collected charge from somewhere while being stored on the shelves. And this collected charge may have caused harmful shocks to the person handling the capacitors not aware of this. (I do not mean the caps collected charge from the field strength of the transmitter station nearby, the source must have come from elsewhere, maybe they remembered the previous high voltage test by their manufacturer.)  So to prevent any such charge collection or build-up, these capacitors are supplied with a shorting wire across their connectors.

rgds,  Gyula

PS:    ZPFE, sorry for the off topic in your thread...

[Paul-R]

The energy gathered from the collapsing magnetic field of the coil is not "free energy", it is merely the energy stored by the magnetic field of the coil.
Cheers from Hoptoad

At the UK Free-energy Conference at the beginning of the month, we built
a bedini SG. We started with two lead acid batteries - one charged and
one empty. We ended up with the first battery slightly depleted and the
second battery charged.

[zpfe]

Hi Guys,

I got word from a couple of lawyers today. The money they want is totally unrealistic. So that plan is out the window. It doesn’t make sense to sue for $50k and have to pay $120K in legal fees that may or may not result in a conviction.

I am afraid I did what I could but that’s as far as I will go.

You guys seem intelligent but don’t seem to grasp the difference between a phenomena that appears in these pulse motors and excess energy claims.
I too have seen these phenomena in my motor generators. I see more of it in my Adams motor than my monopole. The Adams motor is far superior in efficiencies and weird phenomenas than Bedini's system in everyway.
Just because we don’t yet know what it is, doesn’t mean it is excess energy. If it was excess energy, it could easily be converted to a usable form and be able to close the loop and get a perpetual machine going and remove the battery from the loop altogether. That has not happened BECAUSE there is no excess energy there. If it makes you happy to think that there is, who am I to stand between you and happiness?

I’ve been designing embedded PWM motor controllers for a living for over 20 years. I do know a thing or 2 about this subject. The recoil pulse is not wasted. The inherent body diode inside the Mosfet puts this pulse across the large capacitor that is between the positive supply and ground. (We use schottky diodes for bypass, because it’s faster in response time than the body diode inside the mosfet and it dissipates the heat that the mosfet would have had to deal with).
The rough formula is 100uF for every 1 amp current to the motor.
That is the largest electrolytic capacitor(s) on each and every PWM speed controller.

â€Ã...“Let them learn their lesson the hard way like you didâ€Ã,, my friend said.

So be it.
Just remember, this stupid, ignorant, blind sceptic told you soâ€Ã,¦

[wattsup]

@zpfe

You asked your question and you got some answers. There is no need to get mad at us for giving you an honest answer. Bedini is not the do all end all. It is just another method and a good introduction to this effort.

Actually, some members here were once the biggest skeptics, so we are used to it. lol

Look up Humbugger on this forum. You will find that he was very in line with your thinking, but eventually, he was a very good person and helped here by teaching others, especially me (lol). Until he got banned. What a shame. I thought the forum was really out of line to ban him.

If you are good with PWMs then there is a guy here named Jack Hilden Brand that could probably use some help with a special motor he built. One member @Honk built a control circuit for him but it blew twice. Once you see his motor you will understand the level of creativity. This is not your standard GE motor so controlling it will definitely require someone with the know how. Here is a link to that thread;
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2386.msg127900

You said it yourself;

"Just because we don’t yet know what it is, doesn’t mean it is excess energy. "
Yes but it does not mean it isn't either.

We need all the brains we can get on this forum. And maybe understand one main point, we all know what we are looking for is impossible, until it becomes possible. Maybe all your years with PWMs can be converted to helping out here.