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Faraday's Paradox experiment

Started by scotty1, September 27, 2008, 07:20:24 PM

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gravityblock

Quote from: Airstriker on September 21, 2010, 09:18:09 PM
Anyway there is such thing as Faraday's Paradox and it has nothing to do with voodoo.

The Faraday's Paradox isn't anymore paradoxical than two people disagreeing on which direction the hands of a clock rotate due to them having different reference points.  A person looking at the front face of a clock will say the hands are moving CW, while a person looking at the back face of a clock will say the hands are moving CCW.  Both people should realize there is no Paradox once they take into consideration they are looking at the clock from different frames of references.  I sure hope mankind has moved beyond this simple truth, but it appears he is confused by it time and time again.

The Faraday disc produces a continuous DC output of a given polarity in the stationary conductor, but in the rotating conductor there is a continuous DC output with an opposite polarity.

So, if a person is always in the stationary frame or always in the rotating frame, or only taking one frame into consideration, then one will come to the conclusion there is a continuous DC output.  Now, if a person moves between the rotating and stationary frames, then he will see there is an alternating current at a frequency according to how fast the person is moving between the different frames.

The rotating conductor will see a stationary field, while the stationary conductor will see a rotating field.  The fact the rotating conductor is induced with a different polarity than the stationary conductor, is evidence one of the conductors is cut by the applied field of the magnet, while the other conductor is cut by the induced field in the other reference frame.

There is no Paradox if you look at the system as a whole or take both the rotating and stationary frames into consideration, instead of only looking at it from one reference frame only.

A person may see an electric field in one frame, while another person in a different reference frame will see a magnetic field.  There is no paradox, just a simple elementary truth which mankind should know by now, but it appears that this simple truth is a stumbling block for most and will call it relativistic voodoo.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

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Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on September 22, 2010, 07:08:56 AM
The Faraday's Paradox isn't anymore paradoxical than two people disagreeing on which direction the hands of a clock rotate due to them having different reference points.  A person looking at the front face of a clock will say the hands are moving CW, while a person looking at the back face of a clock will say the hands are moving CCW.  Both people should realize there is no Paradox once they take into consideration they are looking at the clock from different frames of references.  I sure hope mankind has moved beyond this simple truth, but it appears he is confused by it time and time again.

The Faraday disc produces a continuous DC output of a given polarity in the stationary conductor, but in the rotating conductor there is a continuous DC output with an opposite polarity.

So, if a person is always in the stationary frame or always in the rotating frame, or only taking one frame into consideration, then one will come to the conclusion there is a continuous DC output.  Now, if a person moves between the rotating and stationary frames, then he will see there is an alternating current at a frequency according to how fast the person is moving between the different frames.

The rotating conductor will see a stationary field, while the stationary conductor will see a rotating field.  The fact the rotating conductor is induced with a different polarity than the stationary conductor, is evidence one of the conductors is cut by the applied field of the magnet, while the other conductor is cut by the induced field in the other reference frame.

There is no Paradox if you look at the system as a whole or take both the rotating and stationary frames into consideration, instead of only looking at it from one reference frame only.

A person may see an electric field in one frame, while another person in a different reference frame will see a magnetic field.  There is no paradox, just a simple elementary truth which mankind should know by now, but it appears that this simple truth is a stumbling block for most and will call it relativistic voodoo.

GB
Very neatly explained.  This is beginning to sound a bit like a 'fan club' here GB.  LOL  But this is indeed very well said. 

Regards,
Rosemary

Airstriker

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on September 22, 2010, 07:31:48 AM
Very neatly explained.  This is beginning to sound a bit like a 'fan club' here GB.  LOL  But this is indeed very well said. 

Regards,
Rosemary
Indeed, nicely said. However I don't agree with the statement that there is no such thing as Faraday's paradox. There is, because you cannot explain certain experiments using Faraday's Law. The situations when you cannot explain things using a law which you normaly apply in such situations are called paradox. You can explain them using maybe different laws or theories (like the one we're proposing here - STR) but that's a different story. Paradox is paradox.

Rosemary Ainslie

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