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Faraday's Paradox experiment

Started by scotty1, September 27, 2008, 07:20:24 PM

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XS-NRG

A moving charge alone does not create a magnetic field.
The electrons that are dragged by this moving charge are responsible for the electricity and the magnetic effects you see.
But don't be mistaken they are not the source of energy, they only serve to convert the energy between kinetic and electric.

The field lines of the magnet cutting a wire, drag the electrons along the wire.
This is known as induction and it creates resistance which is why we can measure it.

So you are actually braking or slowing down the magnet and many systems rely on this mechanism like for example eddy current braking systems.

It is fair to say that when there are no electrons around, there won't be any resistance to the flow, be it a charge or a magnet.

In the case of the charge the movement can build up to infinity because it has a massless orgin.
In the case of the magnet things are slightly different because it does have mass and so it will feel air resistance aswell as gyroscopic forces.
So in essence, a moving magnet cannot go anywhere near the maximum speed of a moving massless charge.

These are still different things because the magnet is usually moved by putting in kinetic energy or by putting in electrical energy through a coil nearby.

The moving charge on the other hand is moved by nature.
Nature will restore equilibrium between two points in space that have a potential difference between them once it is offered a path to do so.

If there are electrons in this path, magnetism aswell as resistance and electrical energy show up.


KWP

Perhaps I didn't "say it right", or perhaps I was misunderstood.  What I MEANT to say, is that the magnetic LINES OF FORCE DO NOT ROTATE if the magnet is rotated on it's magnetic axis.

Please understand this:  The "magnetic field" is a term that means the whole of the magnetic field-- it is a scalar, with a "curl" vector.  The "magnetic flux" is a term that means how intense a portion of the magnetic field is in a certain area.  In any magnetic field, you will have areas of flux that "bunch together"-- forming what we call "lines of force", and what Faraday called "tubes of force".

This video shows you how to make your own ferrofluid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQh1AT6qUE

In the above video you can see how the ferrofluid follows the "lines of force" that surround the permanent magnet.  If you made a coil of wire, and ran a large enough current through the wire, you would see these same lines of force form.  And, just like with the permanent magnet, if you rotate the coil of wire on it's magnetic axis, the lines of force would not rotate with it.

In order for a magnetic field to get charges to move (in a conductor or otherwise), the magnetic LINES OF FORCE must move in relation to the charge.  The charge will move at right angles to the magnetic field.  Positive charges will move in the opposite direction that negative charges will move.

If you have an electron moving in space, there is a magnetic field formed around it.  If you try to accelerate the electron, there will be a counter-force to the acceleration until the magnetic field "catches up".  A positive charge (like a proton) will do the same thing, but the magnetic field will have the opposite sign.

In Faraday's homopolar generator, when the magnet moves with the copper disc (and electricity is generated)-- no law of physics is being violated if the LINES OF FORCE in the magnetic field do not move with the magnet as it is rotated on it's magnetic axis.  This is the ONLY scenario that matches the experimental data.

View this video to understand what I am talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWO7O5hvzWE

Now, you might ask yourself WHY is this so important?  Well, I will tell you.  In all of the electronics schools, and engineering programs, and physics programs in almost all of the universities, we are taught that "we don't know"-- when the real truth is that we DO know that the LINES OF FORCE do NOT rotate when the magnet is rotated on it's magnetic axis.  This means that:

1) We are being LIED TO, and probably ON PURPOSE-- (Why?  Is it because it gives Aether theories more credibility, and we lie so that we can continue to pretend that relativity "theory" is 100% correct?  WHY does someone want to keep all of this a secret?-- Is someone afraid of what we might discover if we look at things with the right perspective?)

2) Electric machines are designed everyday, and eddy currents (usually a bad thing) need to be minimized.  This would be much easier to do if engineers knew the TRUTH about this non-rotating lines-of-force phenomena.

3) Many assumptions in physics are based on the philosophy that the magnetic field comes from the magnet, when (in fact) the magnetic field comes from the Aether-- the magnet is only "disturbing" the Aether, and a side effect of that disturbance is that a magnetic field forms in the Aether.  It is a property of the magnet that does this, and it is probably revolving charges in the permanent magnet that are responsible for the interaction with the Aether-- (a reasonable assumption, since the phenomena can be duplicated by running a current of moving charges through a coil of wire.).  This change in perspective has huge implications, and may cause many physics theories to be invalid or incomplete.

This always brings me back to the story of Tesla.  He didn't believe what anyone told him about physics, unless he could prove the assertion with an experiment.  He was at odds with some of the greatest minds in his day-- not because he was intellectually their inferior, but rather because he had determined experimentally that they were wrong.

Tesla worked with magnets, rotating magnetic fields, and high-voltage disruptive discharges (among many other things), but I am certain that he noticed many anomalous effects that were "interesting" enough to explore further-- all of which led him to a correct electromagnetic theory (and maybe even a correct theory of gravity.)

If we duplicate Tesla's most important experiments, and watch for the anomalous behavior, we will (eventually) be led down the same path that Tesla once walked.  We too may be able to cobble together a "correct" electromagnetic theory-- and may even be lucky enough to solve the gravity puzzle.

sigma16

Yeah, the magnetic field is in the aether.  No sense arguing about that.  Maybe the rotating field of the aligned particles in the magnet align the rotating entities in the aether.

Fast forward and we find we can move the aether itself, perpendicular to a magnetic field, and both perpendicular to a conductor (or separated plates) and induce a current.  Einstein and his gang did put some math to this in an indirect sort of way, and experiments were performed that proved Relativity along the way.

A quick study will say that if you can move the medium itself then gravity should not be a problem, and he is probably correct.

The problem with it all is that people who know these things can only speak briefly about them.  A few sketches and clues, bit of theory, pinch of salt.  Years go by and nothing comes of it.  It's like a farmer going out to a pasture and telling his cows that they are free.  They never leave the pasture.

If you want the cow out of the pasture, you have to lead him out, protesting the entire way.

Do steps 1 thru 4.  Spark gap is low rep rate so use very high voltage if you can.  You can replace the magnetic quenching with a delay line as shown in avalanche transistor circuits.  Apply the pulse to very long coil if fine wire - 1500 feet or more, 28 AWG, HT magnet wire works great.

You can detect a high frequency oscillation - the ripple of the aether.


XS-NRG

I don't think it's done on purpose.
The stuff in the books is 100 years old incorrect and incomplete and they just don't take the effort to correct things.

It's a classic story really.
If you wanna know the truth, you will have to find out yourself.

But what i don't understand is why so many people still think that magnets are going to power our world one day, without the turbines that are driving the generator.

It's not that hard to understand the energy comes from the steam turbines, wind turbines,waterwheel, whatever is driving the generator, and not from the magnets themselves.
Yet most people keep thinking magnets can power things..
That to me is worse then what's written wrong in the books.

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: sigma16 on August 31, 2010, 11:11:07 PM
Einstein and his gang did put some math to this in an indirect sort of way, and experiments were performed that proved Relativity along the way.
relativity is not proven... it was, and remains, a theory. one with various issues at that.
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