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Overunity Machines Forum



A machine to convert gravity to mechanical energy # 2

Started by brian334, October 04, 2008, 01:08:18 PM

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brian334

M.
When you calculate how fast the tanks will fall make sure you consider water temperature.
Hot water moves easier than cold.

Try this simple test.
Fill a bucket full of water, get a glass, put enough weight in the glass so that it almost sinks. Put the glass in the bucket. Spin the glass. Notice how long the glass spins.


mondrasek

Quote from: brian334 on December 17, 2008, 11:18:44 AM
M.
When you calculate how fast the tanks will fall make sure you consider water temperature.
Hot water moves easier than cold.

Try this simple test.
Fill a bucket full of water, get a glass, put enough weight in the glass so that it almost sinks. Put the glass in the bucket. Spin the glass. Notice how long the glass spins.



And now take the same glass (without water inside) and tie a thread around it so you can suspend it from a tall beam in air.  This is an imperfect example because the thread will also resist twisting but that is insignificant.  Spin your glass now.  See how it does not appear to slow down for a much much much greater time?

Your glass in water experiment shows exactly what I was explaining.  The glass refuses to spin FAST.  It slows quite quickly.  It spins SLOWLY for a long time, just as your tanks will only fall and rise slowly.

No speed equals no momentum.  Please tell us how your device works without your assumed momentum?  You have stated that it will work just fine.  How?  We can show you the math for the "no momentum" case.  You need to understand that momentum will play an insignificant part in the expansion of the tanks for us to continue.  Can you understand this yet?

M.

brian334

M.
I am not staying there is not any resistance from the water, assume the tanks only reach 50% of the maximum possible velocity.

When you spun the glass in the water did it wobble? Mine did.

brian334

M.
When the tank gets to the bottom the 63 lb lead weight is still at the top of the tank.
The weight will fall about 11 inches. When a 63 lb weight falls 11 inches it can do enough work to increase the displacement of the tank by about 5 lbs.  At a depth of 10 ft.

I thought of another high tech test. No wobble in this one.
Fill a bucket full of water, the bucket has to be smooth inside. With a stick get the water spinning inside the bucket as fast as you can, than drop the stick into the bucket, watch the stick spin. Notice how long it spins. If you use hot water it will spin longer.


jandell254

Hi Brian

I wouldnt actually mind doing the maths, its all stuff i know pretty well.  I'll sketch out and explain the equations and diagrams on 2-3 A4 sheets of paper and email them to you tomorrow. 
I also had an idea for a PM machine a few months ago and spent about $100 building it before i did the calcs and realized it wouldn't work.  Like Tesla said, if you do the calcs first then youll save yourself alot of time and effort instead of just going ahead and trying to design your machines by experiment.