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Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles

Started by AB Hammer, October 11, 2008, 10:15:25 AM

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truth

The best way to make short work of this project is to just use compressed air to TEST the "sinking ship effect" in the tube.
My guess is that you will actually create a flow with the air moving the water upward in the tube, and that flow will INCREASE the buoyant effect in the tube causing the floats to sink on the side outside the tube.

Ships sink because A BIG BUBBLE rises under them. The bubble lets gravity move the ship down to the bottom of the bubble and then allows water to collapse from the side walls of the bubble above the ship. The ship is sunk because the top of the ship is not waterproof under pressure.

Just my amateur attempt at thinking about your clever idea.

A pump that runs off of it's own discharge is just like a battery that runs a motor and generator that charges the battery.

AB Hammer

Quote from: truth on December 14, 2008, 01:34:28 AM
The best way to make short work of this project is to just use compressed air to TEST the "sinking ship effect" in the tube.
My guess is that you will actually create a flow with the air moving the water upward in the tube, and that flow will INCREASE the buoyant effect in the tube causing the floats to sink on the side outside the tube.

Ships sink because A BIG BUBBLE rises under them. The bubble lets gravity move the ship down to the bottom of the bubble and then allows water to collapse from the side walls of the bubble above the ship. The ship is sunk because the top of the ship is not waterproof under pressure.

Just my amateur attempt at thinking about your clever idea.

A pump that runs off of it's own discharge is just like a battery that runs a motor and generator that charges the battery.

Very good; truth

  An air hose test would be a good start to see if it is plausible to make it run, but I disagree with  the back flow making it more buoyant in the tube. In water you have standard buoyancy on both sides. Bubbles break up that buoyancy on the tube side which allows the other side to become the lifting power. You have dense water and less dense water due to bubbles. 
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan

truth

@ ab hammer,

Usually I am the one with an idea and others are doing this easy part of finding problems, so I am grinning on this one.

Remember our friend Brian?  He was so concerned about keeping his tanks together to avoid drag in the dense water. Mass displacing a more dense mass due to the buoyant force of gravity must exchange positions with an equal volume of the more dense mass in order to do the work of rising or sinking..

Now that being said, do you consider a bubble to be a mass?
Also, Will that bubble be compressed?
And last, will many bubbles pass through the confined area in the tube AROUND one of those floats, OR will they bump into it and each other to form a larger compressed air bubble around the entire bottom of the float upwards?
Will those bigger compressed air masses be compressed to equal the pressure at the depth they are currently at?
Now, if the pressure of the water and the air is equal and all gases are fluids will the only forces active in the tube be the pressure differences at the bottom and top of each mass caused by the difference in depth and gravity?

Have you ever seen a bubble in a sick persons IV tube? It is easy to release more fluid from above and press the bubble out the bottom, but very difficult to wiggle the hose and get the bubble to rise. If two bubbles touch you get one larger one.

Unfortunately, like most OU ideas if you make the idea workable (air compressor @ 100 PSI) the more fundamental problems become more visible.

The ship sinks only at the surface of the water because the pressure of that huge bubble is reduced to1 atmosphere at the surface just like all of the other air above the surface which is why the walls colapse above the ship.

Creativity is best directed rather than extinguished.

I hope my hillbilly understanding and explanation is helpful. Thank God for the spell checker on here!



brian334

Truth,
This invention was discredited 5 minuets after it was posted.

My invention was posted over 2 months ago and still no one has discredited it.

AB Hammer

Quote from: brian334 on December 14, 2008, 05:56:41 PM
Truth,
This invention was discredited 5 minuets after it was posted.

My invention was posted over 2 months ago and still no one has discredited it.

::) ::) ::)

brian334 and you are just in denial from the first second. The only claim I maid is if (IF!) you can get enough bubbles it would work. A matter of fact if you can't eliminate the buoyancy effect on one side you will never get any of them to work.

truth
Water tends to have a mild shield effect thus the need to spray water onto water to break up the surface for a diver from the high dive to soften the entry. If you read back you will see I was in the US Coast Guard and a witness to bubbles sinking a harbor tug in the Mississippi river.
A bubble goes up by the least path of resistance. You are talking all to small when you are talking about a medical tube on an IV. The Bubble fills the complete second of the tube and there is no escape, the fluid reaction keeps it in place. The only problem is to get enough bubbles to the lower starting point, and that is the only question to debunk this design. You need to look closer at the design and you will see there is more to the design than meets the glancing eye. Pay attention to the sub notes on each page. The float is weighted and is only 1/2 the size of the tube with a slot in it for the arms to move through.
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan