HHO Cell - Stan Meyer Design.

[peterpierre]

Well, for my test I chose to use 2 small stainless steel plates (the big cell is not ready to go yet, to isolate the tubes will be a pretty tough one - technically) approx. 12 x 10 inch I drilled holes in them and got polyamid / plastic screws wshers and nuts to hold them in close equal distance together without causing a short, then I went to sign-o-rama (which is specialized in signs and brought em the plates and told em to enclose the airtight and water proof with thin PVC or plastic or something to that effect) and I should have them back ready for assembly on monday or tuesday ... before running them of course I will first use an induction tester ... dry and in water to see if they do not arch or short somewhere and then it's basically ready to go

[HeairBear]

OK, I get what you mean when you say isolate the electrodes. Back to capacitance... Assuming i can measure the capacitance of my cell with my meter, what do I do with the number I get? What good is it to know what the capacitance is of the cell?

[peterpierre]

well, basiclly, once you have isolated the electrodes from the water it is no longer a electrolysis cell, it becomes in a very real sense of the word a water capacitor with water being used as a dielectric which gets polarized/charged by the HV DC field emitted by the isolated electrodes (they of course no longer are electrodes ... more like ... err ... antennas, I would say?). Now, we use a pulsed HV DC to pulse the field and therewith we agitate the watermolecules (rather than bruteforce them like in electrolysis), the goal is simple - to provoke a resonant vibration in the water molecules between the plates (find the proper wave pattern and frequency) the moment we get them in resonance with the circuit they will have no other choice but to collapse / break apart and voila - end result is exactly that what we have been aiming for so long As you can see in the pics on page 20 of this thread, the input is 12V @ 0,01A (1,2 Watt) to produce the 577 Volt HV DC  ... pretty nifty, eh?

[HeairBear]

Nifty indeed! That doesn't answer my question though about what I do with the number or capacitance I have in my cell. How do I use this number? For example, 9 microfarads. If I need to know this, where do I apply it? Otherwise, what is the point of buying an LCR meter and measuring the cell?

[peterpierre]

It mainly actually displays you if your cell is capable of acting as a capacitor and if it gets a charge ... it will be hard to measure probably because although excellent dielectric properties water can hold a charge only for a short amount of time, thats why we need the pulses hich cause fary chort repetative charges in microsecond intervalls. For example, I use 2 x 30mF capacitors to 'clean' my rectified DC voltage, I know each of these capacitors can be charged with up to approx. 800 Volt DC before it shorts out on me and 'it blows a cap' lol ... in a very real and literal sense ... we do not want to blow those capacitors, however ... we DO WANT THAT to happen in the water capacitor. Have you ever blown up a capacitor? Well, the water capacitor is supposed to do JUST THAT, because at that point the dielectric breaks down, causing a chanve of the amounbt ov volts inputted into Amps ... the dielectric (water) cannot cope with this sudden change so it actually breaks down on a molecular basis and that ist just the result we want.