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[hartiberlin]

Hi Johannes,
maybe you can render the animation in :
http://www.planetenergy.com/pri8.htm
again with slower speed and with showing all clutches and back-stoppers...

This way it might get more clear, how the springs move the masses.

Hmm, I really have a hard time to understand why after a few units the springs should
still be able to being compress it more than 500 Nm.

If the impulse will slow down due to friction and generator drag back, the springs could
not be compress anymore over 500 Nm and so the rest-tension will not be reached anymore...

Well, what did your first model with the magnets show ?
Did you actually build it or was it also a 3D simulation ?
Looked pretty real, so I guess you have built it ?

Well, if this really works in the mechanical world, it should
be easy to construct an electronic circuit which will behave simular
and then directly electrical energy could be extracted.

Regards, Stefan.

[planetenergy]

Hey Stefan,

nice to hear from you.
I will reply to your questions very shortly.
My time is very limited.
As soon we have results, I will inform you.

Best regards
und
Gruesse nach Deutschland

Johannes

[gyulasun]

P=(Bv2Xq)/8XpiX981000)
Please,can anybody give answer ? about this" Formula" !

Ol? Lanca IV,

I think the Formula gives the attractive force of an electromagnet but it is used in old MKSA system and not in the SI system because the German inventor uses cm instead of meter or uses Gauss instead of Tesla units. So the 981000 in the Formula is a correction number for the MKSA system we usually do not use any more.

I happened to find the very same Formula on a Russian site dealing with electromagnets, see url at:

http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/007/118/118563.htm? and go down to Formula (7)? in the middle of the long htm page.

If you cannot understand any Russian, you can use an online language translator from Russian to English or German or Spanish or French at this site:? http://webtranslation.paralink.com/? and you have to copy and paste the above url into the small url window and choose language translation direction too. This is a machine translation of course!

Could you explain to me how? Wilhelm Klinsing's Electro-magnetic motor is supposed to operate?? How Lentz law is used to gain energy?

I understand that there are two coils (Wicklung 1 and 2) serving as (probably air cored soleonid) electromagnets fed by 6V/0.025A input and between these two coils a permanent magnet as a piston (marked as Wicklung 3) can go forward and backward and this movement is assisted by the mechanical parts Pleuelstange and Kurbelwelle so that the coils are also switched in turn by these back and forth movements to change current direction in them, hence to insure magnetic pole change as needed.? BUT how the two coils are connected I wonder, maybe in parallel with each other or they are independently switched / made to change poles?? Could you figure out an electrical circuit drawing ?

Regards

Gyula

[gyulasun]

But coming back to the Klinsing calculations:
I think that there is a second fault-he used for q in the P=Bv2/(8x3.14x981000) formula
78,5 (=F,area)? and not q= 0,078 !!!
The consequence is/would be that? the output is 1000X times less !
Do you agree?(Pardon,I did not translate the russian text)

But now to the formula itself:
Could it be that " P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000)" represent the "THERMODYNAMIC" ANALOGON,
a formula that represent the "ELECTRODYNAMIC",
"Lorentz+Lenz+Biot-Savart-combination" or in other words
is this a formula that-OFFICIALLY/SCIENTIFICAL-claims an "OVERUNITY REAKTION" ?

Ol? Lanca IV,

Eu posso falar pouco Portoguese, trabalhava meio anno em Maputo em 1982... mas tentar escecer este lingua... disculpe me,  prefero usar Ingl?s, ok?

Ok, you also did your homework, but I think there is no second mistake in Formula numerical calculation: the area F (or surface) of the electromagnet coil is to be  considered which is 78.5cm^2  (square cm) so the force comes out as 659.45 kg, this seems ok. Now converting this old kilogram force to Newton force, it should be multiplied by 9.81, which gives 6469.2 N and to get this in horse power we have to divide it by 736, this comes out 8.789 HP as in the patent.  You mention q=0.078 which is the cross section area in mm^2 (square mm) of the 1105 meter long winding wire of the electromagnet coil. So the output is not 1000 times less because of this.  Agree?
So the formula P=Bv2xq/(8xpix981000) gives force in kg of an electromagnet which kg as a unit of force is not used nowadays. I made a mistake by naming the old system as MKSA but in fact it is called CGS system and this is also obsolote now. There is a good conversion possibility between CGS and present day SI system here: http://www.conversiontables.com and it comes out that originally the force comes out in dyne (in CGS) from the Formula but putting 981000 into its denumerator it converts to kg, which is more useful practically.

Now comes my dilemma: I still do not understand how and why Lenz law gives power amplification between the switched coils? Can you explain if you got it?

At? proxima

Gyula

PS  I agree with you in the first mistake you noticed is a calculation fault :4zylinderX3turningsX8,79PS=105,48PS and not 139,2 PS

[gyulasun]

Ola Gyula,
pardon but I have now an another "problem",
after the first M.A.S.E.R.-trial with input 25 Watt/output 150W-
actually (yesterday,12th /today,13th of Dec.) we(a triade of searchers) got with an ~20W(12V,1,6A) input/ 700W(70V,10A) output !!!
Very confuse-the first versus actual ?input-output? behaviour !
The output is not unexspected,the max. shall be 1100W.

1982,Maputo:Shall I do a political question(betr.Lourenco Marques,RENAMO,et cetera...) ?
Only a-black(african) humor- joke!!!

After the translation of the russian text? I understand? this formula ( the integration of the
Biot-Savart-v(-elocity)-Amplification law included) as Partikel/Mass-Accelerator-Fundamental/base !!!
About the effect of the Lenz-Law:the? Back-EMF will be neutralisized/transduced in kinetic force,
from linear to rotational-amplified- force !

Ol? Lanca IV,

Thanks and I am looking forward to your further test results.,  not to mention the details of your device...   

Regarding the effect of the Lenz law, you still beat around the bush...    I would be more than happy to understand how the coils are connected in each working phase. Have you figured it out?

You mentioned McFarlandCook-Coil Improvement from 1873, I have read that patent too but also cannot get how it works    Harold Aspden has also an interesting patent maybe based on similar concept?

Ate proxima
Gyula