Newman press conference

[hartiberlin]

Moral of he story:
Don?t provokate Newman, he was a boxer in his early life !
Otherwise you could get a fist into your face...!

Anyway, the new motor is not more different than all his other motors
and performs great ! So no problem with it and it is really no scam !

It is just the RF bursts from the sparking, that drive the bulbs and the recharging of the batteries.
Has all been tested already, no mystery anymore.

So I believe, Newman has a great technolgy.

P.S: At:
www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm
there are many lies about Newman, so you should better
checkout my technology pages about it,
which concentrate onto the technologies and not on
bad politics:

http://www.harti.com/newman

http://www.harti.com/newman2


Regards, Stefan.

[erickrieg]

The following is some more discussion from another list on the Newman demo.  I would like to hear from even more former Newman investors at erickrieg at verizon.net  People can get the pro-Newman position from josephnewman.com.

The following offers both points of view:
---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Newman v Thomas - one minute warning bell
From:    "David Crockett Williams" <gear2000@ >
Date:    Tue, March 29, 2005 8:44 pm

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      From: Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will
      file a lawsuit against him for libel.


      "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>


      Subject:    Re: Mar.28 DC Newman press conference - "Otherwise"
sounds like it went great  Date:    Mar 29, 2005 4:05 PM

      At 6:37 PM -0800 3/29/05, Thomas wrote:
        At 07:45 PM 3/28/2005, David Crockett Williams wrote:

          Thanks for this report Evan.  I will look for news coverage and
their evaluations of the presentation.


        Uh, excuse me, David, Evan's representations, are -- like as are
apparently the claims of the would be Jesus freak Newman -- a soup
of snake oil

          Unfortunately perhaps (Mark Gubrud) did not have enough
background on the Newman machine or theory to know the past
history, so this update fixes a framework of comparison to past
larger models and the refinements you describe below.


        Nonsense, David.  I sat around for half hour, maybe 45 minutes,
listening to theories (referencing Faraday's laws, and such),
which kinda might seem sort of impressive (know what I mean?
Michael Faraday, physics?  Wow, I'm impressed.  Well, not really.
After all, I've listened to a lot of snake oil salesmen), quite
frankly, I wasn't favorably impressed, because there was nothing
solid in the presentations ... just theory and some favorable
press coverage. NOTHING of any substance.  Nonetheless, being the
open minded son-of-a-bitch that I am, I figured I'd give this
Newman fellow the benefit of the doubt.

        At some point after I got to this road show, I happened to notice
that Mark showed up.  He was standing in the back of the room.

        Then here comes Mr. Newman, he was late too, with this oversized
hatbox devise which he hooked up to a box of batteries, and it
turned this little wheel with a couple of lights on it.  Jeeze,
what do I know, maybe this was some kind of profound illustration
of physical truth, shucks I couldn't see it, but at this point, I
kept my mouth shut.

        In the meantime Mark came from the back of the room and took a
seat in the first row (I was behind him in the second row.  By the
way,contrary to the optimistic picture Evan painted, it didn't
seem that Mr. Newmans Press Club charade was any kind of success,
there were a whole lot of empty seats at this ground-breaking
event, and. it seemed to me, that almost the entire audience were
Newman groupies.

        Then, David wrote:

          In any case, my skeptical friend Thomas apparently is the
referenced "heckler" - although from their phone conversation
apparently it was Mark who asked the question when picked to do
so, "how does your motor differ from other kinds of motors"
(didn't do his homework, but still a reasonable question for
some occasion) and they said that is what set Mr. Newman off on
Mark, and that Thomas just rose to defend the apparent
legitimacy of the question whereupon he was grabbed by the
collar and physically harassed.


        Not quite.  This is REALLY the way it went down.  After Mark moved
into the first row, and was looking at this Newman hatbox thing,
Mark raised his hand and got called on (by the esteemed Mr. Newman
himself).  First Mark asked whether he could look under the lid of
Mr. Newman's hatbox thing.  At this point the great humanitarian,
christian, saviour of the SUV class, explained that Mark couldn't
look under the lid, because the hatbox thing-a-ma-jig wasn't
properly patented (Peek under the lid -- potential threat to the
savior's pocketbook.  Oh yeah, we'd just heard the genius go on at
some length about how the Navy had already ripped off his amazing
hatbox.) Then Mark asked the question about how this hatbox
differed from other kinds of motors.  Then the Newman character
asks Mark what he's doing there (Get it?  What's Mark doing at the
Press Club for this public scam that Newman set up, publicized,
and invited the public to attend.  Like, is this guy playing with
a full deck, or what?)

        This is where the Heckler comes in.  When the Maestro asked Mark
what he was doing at his public event, and who invited him, being
the consummate P in the A, at that I am, I said, "One of your
biggest fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine.

        It was at this point that the maniac flew off the handle, leapt
off his podium, grabbed me by my sweater, and slung me against the
wall.  Problem was, while this idiot is physically assaulting me,
I was laughing so hard that, fortunately, I was unable to respond
to his uncivilized behavior.  Perhaps my laughter disarmed the
madman, whatever, at that point he seemed to lose his steam, and
let go of my sweater.

          I do not think they had the intent to disrupt the news
conference because I asked both of them to go and report on what
they saw and invited Mark into a serious level scientific
discussion about this machine due his sincere offer of his time
to test it and support it to the scientific community if it
passes his testing.


        You're right, David,we had absolutely no intention of disrupting
his faux news conference. My point.is that this marvelous avatar
of the alternative energy movement seems to be far more interested
in selling books and making money than he is with illustrating the
viability of his humorous hatbox.

          My apologies to Mr. Newman for this disturbance which was not my
intent in asking Thomas and Mark to attend today.


        Whadda you apologizing to this wingnut for???  He should be
apologizing to Mark and I.

          My apologies to Thomas and Mark for anything on my part that is
behind this misunderstanding.


        Whadda apologizing to us for?  After all this Newman jerk invited
the public to look at his scam.  If he can't deal with the heat he
oughta get out of the kitchen.

          One view is that "well if Newman had something real, he would
answer the questions satisfactorily".


        Sounds reasonable.  So we're left wondering:  Why is Newman so
adverse to satisfactorily answering questions?

          But Joseph Newman has been through all this over and over and
knows from people's tone of voices etc when he feels his
truthfulness is being challenged blindly or due prejudice
against this whole genre of "new energy techs".


        Poor guy, he's been through all this over and over.  Shit!  He
deserves it.

        Look at it!  This nut case continuously talks in terms of his
"opponents."  Mark and I obviously fell into this "opponent"
category ... notwithstanding the fact that we weren't (at that
point, anyway) "opponents," but were merely inquiring minds.  So
what you got here, it seems to me, is a paranoid, schizophrenic,
physically abusive, nut job named Joe.  Poooor guy.  People
challenging his truthfulness,  oh my!  David, give me a break,
anybody who doesn't question this guy's claims has got to be some
kind of a sycophant, or just plain gullible.

          Personality problems has now today jumped to the top of my list
of reasons why these new energy technologies are "not already
out there".


        I humbly disagree.  I don't think it's so much personality
problems as it is capitalistic, money grubbing, "Who invited
you?", "opponent," lying, paranoia.

        Then the Just Normally ParanoidCo. wrote"

          From: "JNPCo." <josephnewman@earthlink.net>
          To: David Crockett Williams <gear2000@lightspeed.net>
          Subject:    News conference update
          Date:    Mar 28, 2005 4:39 PM

          David --


          At the news conference the table-top-sized energy machine
performed beautifully --  the latest innovation of the EM
technology proved two things:


        Yeah, right, seemed like it, kind of, but you can't look under the
lid.  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Just note
that the little wheel, with the two cool little lights, that's
hooked up to a box of batteries, is spinning around, and be
unquestioningly impressed.

          1. Opponents of Joseph Newman do not deny that the technology
produces significant torque,


        Here we have it:  "Opponents of Joseph Newman."  Except, how the
heck can one affirm or deny whether this hatbox is doing anything
other than spinning a little wheel with a couple of lights on it,
if one can't look under the lid, because the Saviour wants to
insure that his financial interests aren't threatened?

        Oh yeah, lest we forget, buy his book.

          2. Opponents of Joseph Newman claim that the back-emf sparking
produced by the energy machine is unmanageable and can never be
controlled.  On Monday, March 28, 2005, Joseph Newman
demonstrated complete control of that sparking effect.


        Here we have that same old paranoid rap again:  "Opponents of
Joseph Newman."  The guy isn't even a worthy opponent.  Who' in
their right would even want to waste time crossing mental swords
with this imbecile?

          At one point during the presentation, one individual attempted
to heckle Joseph Newman and challenge his integrity.  The
heckler was then offered the following challenge by a news
conference attendee from Michigan:  That Michigan attendee would
put up $20,000 if the heckler would put up $5,000 for a test of
the technology.  If the machine was not found to operate as
stated, then the heckler would be paid $20,000.  However, if the
test confirmed the operation of the machine as stated, then the
heckler would donate that $5,000 to a charity.


        "Integrity"??  Gimme a break.  Further on this paragraph is
total bullshit.  But, nonetheless, instructive to some degree.
Instructive to the degree that these con artists are money
oriented (20 grand).  But where the major bullshit comes in is
that this fictional exchange with the "heckler" never occurred
... at least no where near where, or under the circumstances
claimed.  This Newman character, or some of his facilitators, had
arranged for several video cameras to record his historical faux
news conference.  So you needn't take my word on this particular
issue, assuming these hucksters will release the videos (which
they probably won't, because that would conclusively illustrate
that they are bald faced liars), the videos will absolutely prove
that this multi-thousand challenge did not occur at the "news"
conference.

        Prove me wrong (please).  I was the alleged "heckler."  Mark
Gubrud showed up for this alleged "news conference" at the request
of myself , and/or the most dedicated fan of Swami Newman, David
Crockett Williams.  As a physicist, Mark thought he was going to
get a chance to peek under the lid of this amazing hatbox.  Well,
the Swami nixed that.

        Anyway, what actually happened with respect to this big bucks deal
was that AFTER we left the alleged news conference Thomas (that's
me, the alleged heckler), and Mark were waiting for the elevator,
far away from the alleged news conference.  At that time we were
approached by Arthur W. Morris, a "certified microscopist," from
Bloomfield Hills, Michigan (utillc@comcast.net).  It was then and
there, at the elevator, far from Mr. Newman's snake oil show, and
away from the video cameras (which is why these weasels won't
document their flat out lies by providing a copy of that tape)
that Mr. Morris offered to put up 20 grand against Mark's 20.
First, we should note that Mark wasn't the alleged heckler, it was
I who was the alleged heckler.  Next, it wasn't the "heckler" who
was made this generous offer, it was Mark, who wasn't a heckler.
Finally, again, this ridiculous bet (shucks, if I wanted to risk
20, 10, or even 5 grand, I'd go to Vegas and play blackjack before
I'd bet with these sidewinders) was offered in front of the
elevators, far and away from Mr. Newman's con game.  Consider the
absurdity of this offer --  Mark and I where there specifically to
"test of the technology," and these wily sons of guns wouldn't
even let Mark peek under the lid.  Essentially, Mark indicated
that Mr. Morris was coming out of far left field.  Then Mr. Morris
reduced it to 10 grand for Mark, he was still offering 20.
Finally, he offered to let Mark go for 5 grand.  Can't remember
exactly --- you know, these Newman guys, getting really crazy and
all? -- but I think Mark told him something like go fly a kite.

          The heckler refused to accept that
          challenge and continued to heckle Joseph Newman.  Finally,
Joseph Newman physically picked up the heckler by his sweater
and forcibly carried him out of the room.  The media filmed the
incident.  We believe the heckler's goal was to intentionally
attempt to disrupt the news conference.


        Now this is the epitome of the bullshit.  Again, there was NO
heckling.  What these misrepresenters of reality are pretending
was "heckling," was actually my statement,  "One of your biggest
fans, David Crockett Williams, invited him.  He's (Mark) a
physicist and David said this would be an opportunity for Mark to
examine your machine."

        Notice, the deceivers specifically mention that "The media filmed
the incident."  Ask for a copy.  Bet they won't give it to you,
because it'll prove they're lying.

        Oh, as a footnote, the lunatic "christian" did not forcibly carry
me out of the room.  He just looked stupid, shook his fist in my
face, and went back to his podium.  Then, after I'd stopped
laughing, I invited him to meet me in the alley.  Gee, ya know,
you try real hard to be a pacifist, but, it seems, you just can't
help running into jerks that are just begging to have their necks
broken.  God help me, what can I say?  Oh yeah, so after I invited
the alterative energy avatar to the alley, Mark and I left the
room, went to the elevator, where Mr. Morris offered his
aforementioned absurd bet.

        In light of the foregoing, David, I hate to call these guys a
bunch of unscrupulous, lying assholes, but what else can I
honestly say:?

        Don't take my word for it.  Ask 'em for a copy of their faux news
conference video with the part where the Savior allegedly put me
out of the room.

        You know, David, that I like you, but when you get involved with
characters like this it really hurts your credibility, because
they have no integrity to speak of.

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      A postscript:


      Joseph Newman has challenged Mr. William Thomas to provide his
STREET (MAILING) ADDRESS (NOT Post Office Box) and he will file a
lawsuit against him for libel.

[hartiberlin]

Eric, there is no mysteries anymore with the Newman motors.
I have studied them for over 20 years now.
They just work and produce a lot of RF bursts, that recharge the batteries
and keep the incand. bulbs lighting ( which the normal DC input current couldnot do)
and the technology just works.
The only problem is, that the commutator must be a mechanical type and have the
right materials, so the sparking is occuring , which will produce these big RF bursts !

If the mechanical output is really bigger than the electrical input  still must
be measured right and also depends on the commutator setup and the airgaps,
but the electrical output via the RF bursts is definately bigger than the electrical
input.
The problem is, it only works with quite a big coil and the RF bursts also
put out a lot of RF noise into the surroundings, so it needs to be shielded
very well, before these devices can be sold !

That Newman is a "complicated" character and seems to behave sometimes
"strange" is a different story, but easily to understand with the things
he had to go through to get a patent....


Regards, Stefan.

[prometheus_effect]

Stefan,

All devices are based on applying the beneficial benefits of one or more enabling effects. Thomas Davenport, the blacksmith inventor of the first electric motor, applied three simple but easy to prove effects to make his first motor:

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/july99/features/blacksmith/blacksmith.html

1) Like magnetic fields repel & unlike magnetic fields attract.
2) Flowing electric current creates a magnetic field.
3) Reversing the direction of the electric current flow will reverse the polarity of the created magnetic field.

He applied these basic effects, added a commutator to reverse the rotor field polarity at the right time and the world's first electric motor was born. Not to forget the very important contribution that his wife's silk wedding dress made!

So just ask Joe to break down how his motor works into the individual isolated OU and non OU effects. Verify they have the effects he claims they do. Then understanding how the entire device works become clear and the world will benefit.

From your many years of working with and building many Newman motors, do you believe the Newman motor is OU? If so which step in your above description is the OU effect?

Prometheus_Effect

[hartiberlin]

Yes, I think it is overunity.
It is the effect of the sparking commutator with the huge coil.
The RF bursts there produce the overunity RF current which is superimposed
onto the chopped DC current, which is going into the machine.
The RF current comes out of the machine and powers his bulbs and recharges
his batteries.
The right materials at the commutator must be used to get the right
sparks to get it Overuniy.
The combination of copper-carbon is one valid combination,
magnesium-carbon would be even better.
Regards, Stefan.