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Newman press conference

Started by hartiberlin, April 01, 2005, 03:41:14 PM

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prometheus_effect

Quote from: hartiberlin on April 07, 2005, 11:06:49 PM
Yes, I think it is overunity.

Hi Stefan,

Three questions:

1) How would you measure the OU?

2) Are you sure it is not some unknown battery chemistry that kicks in due to the high voltage, high frequency nature of the back emf of those RF bursts?

3) Have you or Newman tried starting the motor with a non polarized parallel cap bank connected across the batteries, then when the motor is running disconnect the battery bank and see if it still keeps running? If it keeps running you can then discount some unknown battery chemistry effect and few very would doubt it is OU even without "Closing the Loop"

Regards,
Prometheus Effect
Now its just engineering effort, time and money,
Prometheus_Effect

hartiberlin

Prometheus,
well, you can see it, if you compare the brightness of the bulbs, that are just only powered by the
output RF currents and not via the chopped DC input, versus others same bulbs, which are powered
by normal DC to compare for the wattage input.
You will see, that with a big Coil and the right sparking at the commutator you can create very big
RF currents, that power these light bulbs very brightly, which are in series with the coil  !
If you compare the input chopped DC power into the Newman motor at the same time,
you see, that it is less input power.
ALso you get the mechanical output in addition to the light output.

Okay, there is also a battery effect with it as the batteries seem to like
RF currents to be charged up or not to discharge so fast..
Seems to be a simular effect as the Bedini battery charging effect.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

prometheus_effect

Hi Stefan,

But the biggie is will the Newman motor will run from a non polarized cap bank or it is powered by a new chemical effect in the batteries. If it will not continue to run from the cap bank then there is no OU in as far as the input power is concerned. However there still may be OU but we need to do a simple and fool proof measurement of energy in verus energy out.

As I see it there are two questions to be answered:

1) Will the motor continue to run at a stready RPM when powered from a non polarized capacitor bank?

2) Does the motor put out more real work than input? Here I'm talking about running the output into a simple strip heater emersed into a container filled with water, then measuring the rate of temp increase. It's then real simple to measure the real energy output as against real energy input (which can be measured by any voltage variation on the cap bank). No light bulbs, amp / power meters or scopes needed.

A simple Newman motor OU test:

1) Charge the non polarized capacitor bank with sufficient energy to get the motor started and running for say 30 minutes.
2) Run the motor for 30 minutes while it delivers power into a strip heater emersed in a heavily insulated water container.
3) Disconnect the capacitor bank and output load.
4) Compare the initial capacitor bank voltage with that after 30 minutes and calculate energy loss / gain.
5) Compare inital water temp with that after 30 minutes and calculate the amount of energy transfered into the water.
6) Is the ouput energy greater or less than the input energy?

Newman would seem to be suggesting that the cap bank voltage will increase while delivering real power into a load. If so this is a sure fire simple test to finally prove what Newman is saying is real OU.

Hey Evan you listening?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect.
Now its just engineering effort, time and money,
Prometheus_Effect

hartiberlin

Quote from: prometheus_effect on April 08, 2005, 09:58:54 AM
Hi Stefan,

But the biggie is will the Newman motor will run from a non polarized cap bank or it is powered by a new chemical effect in the batteries. If it will not continue to run from the cap bank then there is no OU in as far as the input power is concerned. However there still may be OU but we need to do a simple and fool proof measurement of energy in verus energy out.

As I see it there are two questions to be answered:

1) Will the motor continue to run at a stready RPM when powered from a non polarized capacitor bank?


Probably not, as the capbank can not store the RF currents as the batteries can.

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2) Does the motor put out more real work than input? Here I'm talking about running the output into a simple strip heater emersed into a container filled with water, then measuring the rate of temp increase. It's then real simple to measure the real energy output as against real energy input (which can be measured by any voltage variation on the cap bank). No light bulbs, amp / power meters or scopes needed.

Well, the RF currents have been tested to heat a resistor in a water bath and this output was already higher than the
electrical input from the batteries.
This is documented in Newman?s book and was done years ago by a crew of a few engineers.

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A simple Newman motor OU test:

1) Charge the non polarized capacitor bank with sufficient energy to get the motor started and running for say 30 minutes.
2) Run the motor for 30 minutes while it delivers power into a strip heater emersed in a heavily insulated water container.
3) Disconnect the capacitor bank and output load.
4) Compare the initial capacitor bank voltage with that after 30 minutes and calculate energy loss / gain.
5) Compare inital water temp with that after 30 minutes and calculate the amount of energy transfered into the water.
6) Is the ouput energy greater or less than the input energy?

As I said above, you get the mechanical energy output for free ADDITIONALLY !
The main OU output power is in the RF currents !

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Newman would seem to be suggesting that the cap bank voltage will increase while delivering real power into a load. If so this is a sure fire simple test to finally prove what Newman is saying is real OU.

Hey Evan you listening?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect.

If you create a circuit, that will efficiently transform theRF currents into usefull energy, then
it will be possible.
In this moment the only way to use the RF currents are incand. light bulbs in series with the coil
which light up due to the RF currents.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

prometheus_effect

Hi Stefan,

As you know the back EMF and input energy demands of a Newman motor are highly non sinusordial. Thus very few instruments will tell you what is really happening. Have you or Newman ever done a spectral analysis of the RF? If so where / at what frequencies are the energy? On the small motor you built what is the peak back EMF?

If would not be hard to build a cap bank to supply and handle the back EMF. A few high voltage power factor correction caps with a few RF friendly one should do the job. You just need to know how many joules, at what peak voltage and at what frequencies the cap bank will need to accept the energy.

BTW, where did you get the info that batteries can store RF better than caps?

Regards,
Prometheus_Effect
Now its just engineering effort, time and money,
Prometheus_Effect