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The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

Started by captainpecan, November 16, 2008, 11:02:42 PM

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alan

Quote from: Koen1 on November 19, 2008, 08:16:07 AM
I'm sure I don't really need to post this, but still;
ignore all naysayers
and debunkers that think their physics school books can
overrule empirical test.

And listen to those who want to help, by trying to show that perhaps the effects can be explained using 'school books'.
It is foolish to not think outside the box, but it is more foolish to ignore all estabilished physics. :)

Gobaga

Doctor HEYDUDE and Doctor Poynt99 are summoned to the operating room.  There they are informed that the patient's condition is worse than first believed and that the logic hang-up is permanent.  The only solution is a complete controller transplant and swift kick in the ass to get it going.

allcanadian

@mscoffman
Quote#1 - One must use the electronics equations for capacitors in series when capacitors
are being used in series. So; 18Vdc at 4500uf in series with 18Vdc at 4500uf equals
36Vdc at 2250uf.  18Vdc at 4500uf in parallel with 18Vdc at 4500uf is 18Vdc at 9000uf.
It doesn't matter whether the connections are FET's or fingers. It's obvious that the
some of the charge energy on the "lower" cap is going to have to be used to support
the discharge of the "upper" cap. So I don't think you can dispute that some
sort of capacitive de-rate-tion is going to have to occur with capacitors in series.
WRONG----the total  work performed by the energy initially present is all that matters.

Quote#2 - You have got to consider resonance and 'Q' when you connect inductors and capacitors
in series especially big L's and C's. depending on Q you could definitely get some inconsistency
based in the timing of connections.
One needs to understand how #1 and #2 interacts with the mechanical resonance of the rotor
before one can say too much about rotor pulse power.
WRONG----the total work performed by the energy initially present is all that matters, the context of what happens in the circuit is irrelevant.

Quote#3 - A motor with no load is not necessarily doing work simply because it's rotor is turning.
WRONG----Force=mass x acceleration----things do not accelerate for no apparent reason ;D, Work=force x distance. Friction is a force in opposion to motion, these include air friction rising as the square of velocity, eddy currents induced in the copper metal of the coils by the rotor magnets and bearing friction. This friction requires real work to overcome and this work must come from "somewhere".


Knowledge without Use and Expression is a vain thing, bringing no good to its possessor, or to the race.

broli

I'm just getting into electronics and all. But doesn't this circuit defy what you think what will happen if you look at the basic circuit. I don't think anyone would have even predicted what would have happened if captainpecan only has given the circuit.

I'm talking about the below circuit...

Yucca

Quote from: Koen1 on November 19, 2008, 11:44:47 AM
What's with you guys and the pulse motor??
Haven't you watched the videos?
Captainpecan showed that it also works without the pulse motor.
The pulse motor is not what this is about at all.
It is only about the difference between the charge in cap1 in the beginning
and the charge in cap1+cap2 at the end.

And yes, please do explain why we may not compare those?
After all, we're just taling about charge on a capacitor, aren't we?
Since when is it not correct to conclude that there is voltage gain,
when the voltage in the end is higher than the voltage in the beginning?
Why would 9+9 not be 18?
After all, we're not talking about current here, we're only talking about charge...
If you measure the voltage on a cpacitor, why the heck would you square that?
Surely if you simply want to measure voltage, you just put your meter on it and
measure the static voltage?
Or do you guys do it differently??


Hi Koen1,

I've watched every vid from beginning to end, If my concentration lapsed or I was distracted I would rewind and replay. The vids are great and CaptainPecans delivery is good and easy to follow.

However, if the system were to even show unity then the static charge on both caps would need to be about 12.5 volts on each cap after settling. This can in fact be achieved by zero crossing switching over a resonant tank circuit, no magic involved. Even 10V on each cap is still way under unity. In fact CaptainPecan touched on this very effect (resonant zero crossing switching) when he used a diode to capture coil ring overshoot in cap 2.

You ask why is 9+9 not 18. Well in this case it's not because we're not counting on a linear scale (its a power of 2 scale), it takes more energy to raise a cap from 2V to 3V than it does to raise it from 1V to 2V even though you raise it by 1V in each case. It's like blowing up a balloon, the more pressure within the more work is involved in putting one more CC of gas in because the balloon gets more taught.

Yucca.