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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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onthecuttingedge2005

Hi GB.

we have the same initials, GB.

Conservation of matter and energy is caused by "Forces", Forces such as inertia, friction, field friction, gravity, all Forces equal out their remaining stored energy and come to rest when depleted, it is a force's job to equalize energy and make it come to rest. if you can take away all Forces then yes, perpetual motion is a possibility. but without forces how would one interact with that something? catch 22.

in space you can take a gyro, not spun up but just floating in space, it has no given energy to do work and just floats there, now spin it and it will store that energy as kinetic energy, it will spin a very long time because of the lack of forces acting on it but it will not spin forever because there are micro forces acting on it that will potentially equal out its kinetic energy and eventually it will come to rest after a long time.

the problem most people make is trying to get "Forces" to do work without putting energy into the system, Forces are only carriers of energy and store that energy, when the energy is depleted by the carrier force it will come to rest.

Conservation of matter and energy is the applied "Unified Forces" acting on everything. don't confuse force with energy, forces don't like to do work that's what they are there for and only do work when energy is applied.

Nuclear Energy is a type of OU so long as you have fuel to keep the chain reaction going especially Fusion Energy. it releases 30,000,000 times more energy than it took to make the fuel but nobody likes this form of energy because of it being dirty, fusion energy is the cleanest OU known to Science & Physics if the correct fuel is used, if the wrong fuel mixture is used in fusion it can release lots of Neutrons and that is bad, that's what makes the Neutron Bomb possible.

Can't fool Mother Nature.

Jerry


gravityblock

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 18, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
Conservation of matter and energy is caused by "Forces", Forces such as inertia, friction, field friction, gravity, all Forces equal out their remaining stored energy and come to rest when depleted, it is a force's job to equalize energy and make it come to rest. if you can take away all Forces then yes, perpetual motion is a possibility. but without forces how would one interact with that something? catch 22.

No need to take away all forces.  Only need to take away a small percentage, maybe up to 50%.  If you are being pushed on equally from all directions, then you will have no movement in any direction due to this force.  If you are being pushed on from the front and not the back, then you will move in the direction with the push, since no force is behind you to counter the force in front.  So, there is no catch 22 as I see it. 

The mistake that is made is to think we don't have enough energy and that the forces can't do work.  The fact is we have too much energy or the forces are equalized, and we need to take away some of this force or cause an imbalance in the system in order for it to do work.

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 18, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
in space you can take a gyro, not spun up but just floating in space, it has no given energy to do work and just floats there, now spin it and it will store that energy as kinetic energy, it will spin a very long time because of the lack of forces acting on it but it will not spin forever because there are micro forces acting on it that will potentially equal out its kinetic energy and eventually it will come to rest after a long time.

the problem most people make is trying to get "Forces" to do work without putting energy into the system, Forces are only carriers of energy and store that energy, when the energy is depleted by the carrier force it will come to rest.

At one point in history, according to my history books, the earth was spinning much faster on it's axis.  There was 18 hours in a day instead of the now 24 hours in a day, and the leap year was every 5 years instead of the now every 4 years. 

This suggest that the axial spin of the earth is slowing and the orbital path is closer to the sun.  In addition to this, there is an orbital momentum that keeps it in it's current orbit.  Without the orbital momentum, it would plunge straight into the sun.  So, there is no lose of energy due to the forces acting upon it, only a conversion of energy between the different spin momentums.  The orbital momentum is actually a linear momentum that is being pulled on from one side, an unidirectional force known as gravity capable of doing work with no energy put into it, that causes it to follow a curved or orbital path, that causes it to have an axial spin momentum. 

In the meantime, the gravity of the sun is doing work in being able to pull an object into itself, because that force is acting on the object from one side and the forces are not equalized around the object that is being pulled.

I do not think energy needs to be put into a system for a force to be able to do work.  Instead some of the forces need to be taken away or to cause an imbalance in the system to allow work to be done.

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on June 18, 2009, 09:10:30 AM
Conservation of matter and energy is the applied "Unified Forces" acting on everything. don't confuse force with energy, forces don't like to do work that's what they are there for and only do work when energy is applied.

Energy is never really defined in physics, so what does the Conservation of Matter and Energy really means when energy is not defined or defined correctly?  Energy is an imbalance of the forces involved which allows work to be done.  A force is capable of doing work if there is not an equal force countering it.  There is no need for energy to be applied in order for a force to do work, and this is evident with gravity since the force is acting on an object with an unidirectional force and doing work in bringing the masses together without energy being applied to accomplish this.  Over Unity is very real and possible with an unidirectional force such as gravity without needing to change the current acceptable theories or laws in physics. 

The only reason why you and the rest of physics thinks energy needs to be applied in order for work to be done, is because the energy that is applied is a method of causing an imbalance in the forces that are equalized, and doesn't mean it is the only method.  Nature seems to do it very well with gravity without an external energy source being applied.  Don't make this any more difficult than it needs to be.

Cheers,

GB
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onthecuttingedge2005

Hi GB.

all the planetary bodies orbiting the Sun are using up their 'stored' energy, when that energy approaches Zero their orbits will fall closer into the sun and eventually they will burn up when they get to close and at some point will be destroyed. its energy will now be absorbed by the Sun.

it requires energy of some kind to give or remove energy from a system, for instance; Gadolinium is strongly paramagnetic at room temperature, and exhibits ferromagnetic properties below room temperature.

Gadolinium demonstrates a magnetocaloric effect whereby its temperature increases when it enters a magnetic field and decreases when it leaves the magnetic field. The effect is considerably stronger for the gadolinium alloy Gd5(Si2Ge2).

The Curie temperature of gadolinium is 19° C.  Cool the gadolinium chunk in liquid nitrogen and suspend it from the magnet.  As it warms to room temperature it will drop from the magnet. 

With careful spacing of the magnet and cup, it's possible to set the chunk of gadolinium in the cup of LN2 and let it jump to the magnet when it cools.  When it warms past its Curie temperature, it will fall back into the cup.  The cycle continues until the liquid nitrogen evaporates.

Jerry

PYRODIN123321

Weird that heat or infrared radiation can change the magnetic properties of a metal, how does that work? I guess the heating/cooling organizes/disorganizes the atoms? or maybe crystallizes at lower temps and uncrystallizes at warmer ones?

cool stuff, thanks for sharing

Peace.

onthecuttingedge2005

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on June 18, 2009, 02:53:58 PM
Weird that heat or infrared radiation can change the magnetic properties of a metal, how does that work? I guess the heating/cooling organizes/disorganizes the atoms? or maybe crystallizes at lower temps and uncrystallizes at warmer ones?

cool stuff, thanks for sharing

Hi Pyro.

Not just Infrared but Magnetic fields as well, if the Gadolinium accelerates through a magnetic field it will gain heat in which at some point when it reaches its Curie point it will demagnetize. so it is limited in its velocity but as it passes out of the magnetic field it gets cold and re-magnetizes and the process will continue to pulse on and off until the Gadolinium turns into a block of ice at some point.

all substances have a Curie point even in the weakest of magnetic fields of paramagnetics, Diamagnetics, Ferromagnetics, Antiferromagnetics, Ferrymagnetics and so forth, some experience a field collapse and some experience a different field property, Temperature(Tc) can change a substance dramatically, sometimes it is the lack of heat or sometimes a gain in heat and or both. so one only knows a substance if they have tested that substance at all temperatures and field characteristics.

and you are correct about the electron orbital organizing and disorganizing in their Curie point state.

Jerry ;)