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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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Quote from: Overmind on July 27, 2009, 06:13:43 AM
Time does not slow. It's a wrong interpretation of inaccurate experiments. It's actually the length contraction that is real (Lorentz) and not only observable.

The factor originally devised by Dutch Physicist H. A. Lorentz to transform distance and time measurements between two moving observers so that Maxwell’s equations would give the same results for both was later expanded upon by Einstein for use in his Special Theory of Relativity.

Einstein’s velocity composition formula involves acceleration and not uniform motion as stated in his theory, http://www.mrelativity.net/MBriefs/Einstein%27s%20Biggest%20Mistake,%20Acceleration%20Composition.htm .

This is where it gets weird.  An observer at rest viewing an object traveling at the speed of light would observe the length of the object in the direction of motion as zero. 

If this is true, then it should be true for a laser beam also, since the laser beam is traveling at the speed of light.  If a laser beam is on for 1 second, then it's length would be calculated to be 186,000 miles.  It doesn't have a length of zero as stated by the Lorentz Factor.  Why not?

Because the laser beam is actually accelerating towards infinity and the Lorentz Factor is based on the speed of light having a constant speed.  If the Lorentz Factor was based on acceleration instead of velocity then the laser beam's relative velocity to light would be zero, and the laser beam would be 186,000 miles in length and not have a length of zero.  There is no length contraction when you take acceleration into account.  Length contraction is not real.

The laser beam experiment suggests that Lorentz didn't take into account acceleration.  Einstein’s formula appears at best to be an elegant solution for acceleration composition and not velocity composition.  Both Einstein and Lorentz made the same mistake.  Since the magnitude of the acceleration is slowing as it's speed is increasing towards infinity, then the speed appears to be uniform and not changing at C, thus Einstein's formula is based on acceleration and not velocity.  Only over large distances, the affects are noticeable.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pioneer_anomaly



GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Overmind

Sir, it does not matter what the observer observes, because it observes via light (speed of light) that is subjected to the same length contraction as the observed object. The speed of light was assumed constant but this is not the case.The constancy of the speed of light is based on a measurement which is faulty from the principle. The speed of light was actually measured with itself because lengths were used. Since the speed of light is proportional to the measured length, you cannot directly detect that it's variable (c~r).

If the by Einstein postulated universality and  constancy of the speed of light in reality doesn't exist at all, we in no  way would be capable to register this; neither to observe nor  to measure it. If for instance a light source is moved towards a receiving device or away from it, then the speeds will overlap, like for the  passenger, who marches in a driving train against or in the driving direction through the corridor. For the ray of light also the fields, which influence  the speed of light and the measurement equipment, overlap. As a consequence will a measuring technician, who himself is exposed  to this overlapping field, always observe and "measure" the identical speed of light. The observer as a result imagines, there is an universality of the speed of light.

By deriving the time-dependent Schrodinger equation you will see that the speed of light determines the size of the elementary particles (This statement is incompatible with the assumption of a constant speed of light! Because then all elementary particles would have identical size. As is known, however, are the building parts of the atomic nucleus, the protons and neutrons very much smaller than individual electrons. The constancy of the speed of light is to be questioned. This question is of such an elementary importance that we are not content with these considerations and in addition undertake a mathematical derivation in the sense of the field approach).
The speed of light is field-dependent (E~1/c^2, H~1/c^2) ! - therefore not constant.
This already has been demonstrated experimentally. If you isolate light from the general cosmic field, it (the light) speeds up.
Everything I said is mathematically valid and physically testable.
The time difference relativity describes is an interpretation error and it can be proven so by an experiment with planes and cesium atomic clocks. If you set the planes to go east and west from a point of origin (p.o.o.), at the same range and planes speed there will be another time difference between east clock and p.o.o. and west clock and p.o.o.. That only means that the field lines of Earth influence the atomic clocks, therefore the relative time was just a miss-interpretation of observed results.

gravityblock

Quote from: Overmind on July 30, 2009, 02:08:08 AM
The time difference relativity describes is an interpretation error and it can be proven so by an experiment with planes and cesium atomic clocks. If you set the planes to go east and west from a point of origin (p.o.o.), at the same range and planes speed there will be another time difference between east clock and p.o.o. and west clock and p.o.o.. That only means that the field lines of Earth influence the atomic clocks, therefore the relative time was just a miss-interpretation of observed results.

Perform the same experiment in space where all outside influences are removed including gravity, and there will be no differences in the atomic clocks, as you suggest.  I agree.

There will be differences in the atomic clocks if there speeds or mass are different.  Gravity influences the atomic clocks.  A Higher altitude clock will be ticking faster than a lower altitude clock.  This is all proven.  It's not a mis-interpretation of the observed results.  The higher your energy is, the slower time will tick.  Weather the energy is higher due to it's speed, due to it's mass, due to gravity, etc.....it makes no difference.  Higher energy always ticks at a slower pace than a lower energy.  It is your mis-interpretation that outside influences such as the field lines of earth are contaminating the experiments which gives different results in the atomic clocks.  There is no contamination from these outside influences. The outside influences either raise or lower the energy within a system, which affects the atomic clocks.  This means Time is directly proportional to energy and mass.  You can't have one without the other.  When you have 99% energy, then you have 1% time.  When you have 99% time, then you have 1% energy.  When something increases, then something else must decrease.  No mis-interpretation here on my part.  Your not considering how the outside influences can either raise or lower the energy in a system, which affects the rate at which time ticks.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Overmind

It is not the time that is affected, but your tool which you measure it with.

gravityblock

Quote from: Overmind on July 30, 2009, 06:10:11 AM
It is not the time that is affected, but your tool which you measure it with.

I could say the same thing regarding length contraction.  It is not the length that is affected, but your tool which you measure it with.

If the atomic clock is running slower within a system such as a spacecraft relative to another spacecraft's atomic clock, then what makes you think the rest of the system or spacecraft is not slowing down also relative to the other spacecraft.  If the atomic clock in a spacecraft is slowing down, then the entire system or spacecraft is slowing down at the same rate that is representative of the atomic clock.

The tool you are using to measure is not based on a constant value, but is based on a value that is variable according to it's energy.  The atomic clock is representative of the amount of energy within the system that determines the variable's value.  This variable's value will give you the speed of light to be 186,000 mps regardless of your speed, since the speed you are traveling at will influence the amount of energy within the system that affected the atomic clock, which is used to determine the variable's value.  If the tool is being affected by Time according to it's energy, then both the Time and the Tool is being affected, and not just the tool. 

Blame it on the tool.  LOL
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.