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[Hoppy]

What I am saying is that you can test this phenomena now with a 100amp/h or 5amp/h battery just fine. It is not about discharging the battery fully to its full 100 hour at 1amp or 10 thousand hours at 1 mili-amp. It is about dropping 0.01v in 1 day or less or not dropping at all in days at 5 ma.

Fausto.

I agree when you say that the effect can be seen with bigger batteries and this has been verified by both of us. However, it is important to do the experiment with small batteries simply to see if the effect is observable. It may be that the effect relies on sufficient battery capacity. I do not find it particularly significant that the battery can either hold voltage for long periods of time or even climb in these very low current and high battery capacity conditions. IMO the significance of this experiment is to establish if the charging effect is real and that requires the obvservance of a significant rise of voltage above the 'at rest' voltage. This has not yet been demonstrated to my satisfaction. Further validation of 'real charging' is required over and above this observation in the form of load testing to ensure that battery capacity has not been compromised by the charging effect.

Hoppy

[plengo]

Yes. Let's test with smaller batteries.

Fausto.

[Groundloop]

@Plengo,

Have you considered the possibility that your fan stops because the total charge
in the battery is going down? If the circuit charge the battery then the fan should speed
up. Then when the current goes up the fan should slow down again. So if there is
a charging effect then the fan should never stop at all.

Groundloop.

[plengo]

@Plengo,

Have you considered the possibility that your fan stops because the total charge
in the battery is going down? If the circuit charge the battery then the fan should speed
up. Then when the current goes up the fan should slow down again. So if there is
a charging effect then the fan should never stop at all.

Groundloop.

Yes I considered that. But why would persisting to run the fan will work and still run for a long period of time. It is just those first 30 minutes after it stops that takes to start it again. It is almost as if it does not want to run at all then it changes its mind and runs.

If it was the charge level of the battery it would not run at all once it stops, but that is not the case and the battery still holds the same voltage as when it was started (even though it could be ghost voltage).

Fausto.

[IceStorm]

I agree with you partly IceStorm. Yes I will try with much smaller battery, I already bought the 9v NiCd to try out.

My disagreement is with the calculation of how big the battery should be. 42 days that a 5amp/h can run is theoretical but never pratical WITHOUT any voltage drop. I can see voltage dropping for 5ma and also NOT see the voltage drop for the same 5ma depending only on the changes on the configuration. I agree smaller the battery it will be faster to test but not necessarily to see the effect. I can see the voltage dropping with a bad configuration while not dropping at all with a good configuration. The battery must be recharging. May be not enough to pass the initial voltage (although gadetmall has done it).

What I am saying is that you can test this phenomena now with a 100amp/h or 5amp/h battery just fine. It is not about discharging the battery fully to its full 100 hour at 1amp or 10 thousand hours at 1 mili-amp. It is about dropping 0.01v in 1 day or less or not dropping at all in days at 5 ma.

Fausto.

Hi Fausto,
                 
                Another thing who can play alot, is to know what type of charge the battery take when you run your setup.I made some experiment long time ago with the full bedini cap setup. What ive found interesting is when i used realy low capacitor , like 0.1uF, the voltage of the charging batterie was climbing realy realy fast , after 3 hour of charging i let the batterie the time to stabilize. 24 Hour later the voltage was 13.4. i found interresting to see a voltage like that because i had drain the battery to 11.5v before recharging it. Ive put a load on that battery to discharge it under the c20 rules and found it droped instantly to 12.3 volt, it ran for about 40 minute untile it reach 11.5v.

This experiment is easly replicable , there nothing special in the setup but it show clearly that a battery can show a voltage who is realy not representative of what is inside the battery, that can be realy misleading. Its like a static charge.

Best Regards,
IceStorm