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[Pirate88179]

I am using 2 9 volt rechargeables on my replication if my shipment from all electronics ever gets here with my neons....

Bill

[plengo]

I am creating a new series of video logs this time using only 2 SLAs. They are each 5 amp/h sizes. This way one can know faster if it works or not.

One thing I have notice in my last tests is this weird effect. I have the circuit tunned and spinning steadily voltage drops .01v and stabilizes there. Eight hours later I see a gain in 0.01v and the fan is spinning very well. All looks good and well. It seams to be a not only self-runner but also a gain. Then all of a sudden the fan just stops. Battery resting voltage is exactly where I started 8 hours ago, sometimes even flick a little bit going above the initial voltage.

I am puzzled, I give the fan a spin by hand and wait 5 minutes. Voltage drop 0.01v and fan stops spinning. Voltage goes back to where it was. I give another spin by hand and the same happen, BUT, if I try that a couple more times, without changing anything, then the fan spins good for another 8 hours but now the voltage only drops until the whole process starts again. It finds another bottom voltage plataform (usually the same as before) and goes up and stops.

I have a theory: The radiant spikes are creating the "negative electricity" on the battery (as Bedini says) and becomes so prevalent that no longer the battery is giving the "positive electricity" to the system and so the fan stops. Bedini clearly states in his videos and on the Monopole yahoo forum that you "can not switch the front and back batteries (primary and secondary) to run indefinitely the SSG machine, one must use an inverter when putting the charging battery (secondary) in place of the running battery (primary) because the negative electricity will not work with the SSG.

I think this is happening here because I can replicate this phenomena many times besides being extremely frustating. The same happend on my real first success and now on my new successes.

@gadgetmall,

how does yours system runs? does it ever stops?

Fausto.

[IceStorm]

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Bedini clearly states in his videos and on the Monopole yahoo forum that you "can not switch the front and back batteries (primary and secondary) to run indefinitely the SSG machine, one must use an inverter when putting the charging battery (secondary) in place of the running battery (primary) because the negative electricity will not work with the SSG.
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This limitation only apply for the standard SSG , not the trifilar or the "Cap pulser". Your cap is exactly where the secondary battery should be so we can assume the radiant get converted in the cap before going to the primary. Just remember the Cigar box john build, just one 9v NiCd , and ran for 7yrs+. its why i said you should use a 9v for your experiment, you have a realy low discharge rate so the 150mA on that type of battery should'nt be a problem. Even a 5Amp/H battery is not suitable for your experiment, even at 50mA discharge rate your battery can theoricaly run for 1000 hour, so near 42 Day. The main problem is the non-linearity of lead acid battery, the discharge curve is not linear and can go up/down for no reason even with a standard load if the power consumption is realy low, at each plateau the battery seem to not discharge anymore but its not realy that , each batterie have his own discharge curve, take 10 brand new fully charged identical batterie and they all be different in the discharge curve . That put ALOT of incontrolable variable to be able to say if the setup work or not.extremely small battery clean alot of variable.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

[Hoppy]

I am puzzled, I give the fan a spin by hand and wait 5 minutes. Voltage drop 0.01v and fan stops spinning. Voltage goes back to where it was. I give another spin by hand and the same happen, BUT, if I try that a couple more times, without changing anything, then the fan spins good for another 8 hours but now the voltage only drops until the whole process starts again. It finds another bottom voltage plataform (usually the same as before) and goes up and stops.

Fausto.

I have seen this myself. The problem is that even if the battery is heavily pulsed after it stops, the voltage can still eventually come to rest at where it was. As IceStorm says, we need to run the experiment on a very small battery. The battery needs a capacity where the load current represents a reasonable percentage of the battery capacity. If we are drawing 10mA, then this would translate to a capacity of 200mA/hrs at the C20 rate and a small PP3 type 9V battery would fit the bill nicely. If a small 9V NICAD battery does not show the effect, then an SLA under 1A/hr would be my next choice (if available). I agree with IceStorm that a 5A/hr battery is too big, especially if its in good condition, which it really must be to make the charging effect believable.

Hoppy

[plengo]

This limitation only apply for the standard SSG , not the trifilar or the "Cap pulser". Your cap is exactly where the secondary battery should be so we can assume the radiant get converted in the cap before going to the primary. Just remember the Cigar box john build, just one 9v NiCd , and ran for 7yrs+. its why i said you should use a 9v for your experiment, you have a realy low discharge rate so the 150mA on that type of battery should'nt be a problem. Even a 5Amp/H battery is not suitable for your experiment, even at 50mA discharge rate your battery can theoricaly run for 1000 hour, so near 42 Day. The main problem is the non-linearity of lead acid battery, the discharge curve is not linear and can go up/down for no reason even with a standard load if the power consumption is realy low, at each plateau the battery seem to not discharge anymore but its not realy that , each batterie have his own discharge curve, take 10 brand new fully charged identical batterie and they all be different in the discharge curve . That put ALOT of incontrolable variable to be able to say if the setup work or not.extremely small battery clean alot of variable.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

I agree with you partly IceStorm. Yes I will try with much smaller battery, I already bought the 9v NiCd to try out.

My disagreement is with the calculation of how big the battery should be. 42 days that a 5amp/h can run is theoretical but never pratical WITHOUT any voltage drop. I can see voltage dropping for 5ma and also NOT see the voltage drop for the same 5ma depending only on the changes on the configuration. I agree smaller the battery it will be faster to test but not necessarily to see the effect. I can see the voltage dropping with a bad configuration while not dropping at all with a good configuration. The battery must be recharging. May be not enough to pass the initial voltage (although gadetmall has done it).

What I am saying is that you can test this phenomena now with a 100amp/h or 5amp/h battery just fine. It is not about discharging the battery fully to its full 100 hour at 1amp or 10 thousand hours at 1 mili-amp. It is about dropping 0.01v in 1 day or less or not dropping at all in days at 5 ma.

Fausto.