Hard Look at Stan Meyer Patent

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       Hope these come out ok.

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here is a thought that i haven't seen considdered... Using the concept of a Tesla Coil to step up the voltage... having a large outter coil and then the middle being a chain of bifilar coils running up the center... i haven't seen it tested or even ran in reverse (bifilar on teh outside) be interesting to say the least. Find out which end of your recieving coil is + and - and attach them straight to your electrodes should be high voltage at the least. Then all you have to do is pulse the delivery coil with different frequencys and such should almost harmonize itself... in theory...

Your post prompted me to look up and study an article on building a tesla coil.  It uses the same theory of Meyers by using a series resonant circuit. As you may know, the voltage build-up in this circuit is limited mainly by the resistance of the coil. This construction article uses 8 turns of 3/16 in. copper tubing for the primary (very low resistance) . It's wound in pan-cake fashion so as not to arc between the windings. The thing will put out 3 foot sparks so potential must be in excess of several hundred Kv. Way too much for a fuel cell. The resonant frequency is up in the RF range.
   Also, that binary coil could never work as anything over 5000 volts or so would cause arcing and a breakdown between the 2 windings.What you would need is 2 seperate coils, one in each leg of the cell. The combined inductance of the 2 coils together with the capacitance of the wfc would determine the resonant frequency.

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Hi I am new and would just like to add a little to this discussion.  I also have been studying the Stanley Meyers patent and IMO there is a major point of his that is little talked about here, at least that I can find.  And that is, he says very clearly that his process of splitting water is voltage dependant and not current dependant.  In other words he is using High Voltage instead of high current to split the water.  The purpose of the VIC circuit was to minimize current and increase the voltage.  When we say increase the voltage he was talking > 40,000 Volts across the water fuel cell.  To accomplish this his transformer stepped up the input voltage driving a bifilar wound HV coil ( thousands of turns ).  This bifilar coil is built as a flyback transformer and operates with the pulses applied to the primary winding, because of how this all works it can all be put on one core, as long as all coils proper polarity is observed.  When pulsed the output of the flyback + and - go in opposite directions, doubling the flyback voltage. That is, if each coil has a 20,000 volt flyback voltage then total voltage is 40,000 volts across the cell.  That is all that the VIC is, what it does and how it works.  Stanley was using very high voltage (40,000 volts) and low current (5ma). Now I have found that water fuel cells don't work well on AC voltage they work much better on DC therefore the diode in Stanley's patent. So what about the resonance he mentions, it can only be running the VIC transformer at its resonance to keep input current to a minimum.  All of what he was doing was minimizing total current and total power usage. I would also like to mention that the patent drawing of the VIC shows an incorrect connection of the bifilar coil it will not work connected as shown.

I hope this helps and maybe clarifies some things for all.
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Yes, I must agree with you 95%.  Some people are replicating Lawton's circuit which is straight electrolysis passing a current through the water. This is quite apparent when you look at the circuit. As the diode is reverse-biased, the mosfet can only get it's operating voltage through the resistance of the water unless a transformer is added.
   The condioning of the plates is what makes it very efficient. If I fail to get Meyer's design working then II might just take a crack at Lawtons.
    Using the core of a flyback xformer is a good idea, but I would'nt bifilar wind the 2 chokes on it because of the high voltage between the 2 windings. You get the same" + and -  in opposite directions" by using seperate coils on the core and connecting in proper phase.
    After reviewing some of my electronic theory I discovered something that I never knew before. If you were to place just one hv winding on the core and connect a capacitor (wfc) across it, this would be a series resonant circuit.  Of course many would say that it's a parallel circuit. The explanation given is: If the source voltage is inductively induced then everthing is in series. .The hv winding itself then becomes the resonant choke.  This still gives you the * and - in the same instance of time as each end of the coil is 180 deg. out of phase with the other.
   Still not sure whether Meyers was using resonance or just pulsed dc.  Haven't had much luck using both at same time.