Hard Look at Stan Meyer Patent

[soodesune]

I feel like I've read every news paper article, forum post, watched every youtube video, and really done my home work.  I've also done quite a bit of my own experimentation and calculation.  I'm an engineer by training and profession.

In trying to duplicate the Stan Meyer water fuel cell patents, it's important to sort out all the pseudo-science he put in there.  For the sake of the patent, it's doesn't matter one bit what's happening at the atomic level.  All that matters are the claims and the preferred embodiment.  So I've blacked out all of the parts where Meyer is describes what happens at the atomic level.  Besides, given his resources, and background, how could he know what's happening at the atomic level?  This will allow us to focus on the useful parts of the patent.

There are two parts that really bother me.  I've highlighted them both.  In the first he describes the transformer as having 200x600 turns.  It's high school physics to know that this gives 3x step up in voltage.  Meyer says it gives him "in excess of five times".

The second big problem, is the statment that "resonance was achived at 0kHz"  This is clearly wrong.

I've searched for some opinions about these two obvious problems, and didn't even find them mentioned in any forums, so I'd like to start a discussion here.  What do you think?

The pdf of the patent with my edits was too big to post here, you can get it from: http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=88074

[Alien509]

I feel like I've read every news paper article, forum post, watched every youtube video, and really done my home work.  I've also done quite a bit of my own experimentation and calculation.  I'm an engineer by training and profession.

In trying to duplicate the Stan Meyer water fuel cell patents, it's important to sort out all the pseudo-science he put in there.  For the sake of the patent, it's doesn't matter one bit what's happening at the atomic level.  All that matters are the claims and the preferred embodiment.  So I've blacked out all of the parts where Meyer is describes what happens at the atomic level.  Besides, given his resources, and background, how could he know what's happening at the atomic level?  This will allow us to focus on the useful parts of the patent.

There are two parts that really bother me.  I've highlighted them both.  In the first he describes the transformer as having 200x600 turns.  It's high school physics to know that this gives 3x step up in voltage.  Meyer says it gives him "in excess of five times".

The second big problem, is the statment that "resonance was achived at 0kHz"  This is clearly wrong.

I've searched for some opinions about these two obvious problems, and didn't even find them mentioned in any forums, so I'd like to start a discussion here.  What do you think?

The pdf of the patent with my edits was too big to post here, you can get it from: http://www.wikiupload.com/download_page.php?id=88074

Actually this part is clearly right because resonance in this case could not be measurable....Just trust me- I'm a pro Here is a quote that might help you. "The glass shattered because of resonance and the force that shattered it, did not come from the noise itself"

Read up on the tokamak, if you can figure out a solution to the atom smasher's biggest problem then you will understand. One thing though- it's better to go green with hydrogen then to have toxic waste- obviously, and yes it does "bypass" all thermonuclear interaction.

I think ITER is nothing more than an attempt to grow a star here on the earth  Just watch out for the pin hole leaks because they usually don't hold up too well  ESPECIALLY UNDER NON CONVENTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES- I thought you guys were scientists!

"The ITER project confronts numerous technically challenging issues. French physicist Sébastien Balibar, director of research at the CNRS said We say that we will put the sun into a box. The idea is pretty. The problem is, we don't know how to make the box.[19][20]" wiki

The BOX- yeah let's reconsider that one.... I think there was a reason it was built in water instead buddy. Do yourself a favor and keep it simple. Build the Hydrogen and keep the water burning- consistently! Because we all know what usually happens when the water "Runs out" with deuterium/tritium at 500MW.

But then again, what could be funner than lighting a helium balloon and watching it float up. I'd propose a very tiny
tiny tiny scale model if your going to go deuterium/tritium and only use that for space ships. The EPG is much safer-

Here is an earlier derivative of the technology http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdUAliVf8o Pay attention to the clock in the video.

[Garfield]

Soodesune:

   You're right about the many errors in Meyer's documents. But considering the mass of info he put out, then I guess we can expect a few legitimate ones. There is just too many ridiculous claims and a few false flags he uses to hide the real theory from would-be builders.
  I just thought the "0 Khz" was a typo.
    I've been doing quite a bit of experimenting also and after working in electronic circuitry for the past 40 years I find there is still much to learn..
  I 've found using my scope that once resonance is attained that no matter if the source voltage is a uni-polar square wave, triangular or whatever -  the wave across the wfc will change to a perfect ac sine wave.
  And that "blocking diode"  only keeps any kind of resonance from happening.
   Upon studying this sine wave, I kept pondering on this idea.
If we assume that the bottom negative portion of the wave is 180 degrees out of phase with the top positive portion, wouldn't it be nice if we could shift it back so that it lines up and occurs in the same instant of time as the positive portion!
   So now the electric force between the 2 plates of the cell would be doubled. W'ed now have a positive anode  voltage pulling on the negative atomic particles and an equal but negative cathode voltage pulling on the positive particles.
  Not only have we doubled the electric field intensity but because of the opposing electric fields we have just about eliminated the current flow through the water.
   I finally got around to winding a bifilar resonant coil and after hooking up a circuit, I connected my dual-trace scope to the plates of the cell. Lo and behold the two sine wave forms were exactly 180 deg. out of phase.
Keep experimenting.

[soodesune]

Thank you for the thoughtful reply.  That reminds me of another bit of strangeness with this patent.  The inductors are called out as air core.  The inductance of an air core inductor 1" in diameter, 100 turns is almost nothing, especially when compared to the inductance of the transformer (600 turns around ferrite).  If this is correct, then the whole setup is very sensitive to having the right inductance, which makes the exact type of ferrite used in the transformer very important.  Unfortunatly the Siemens catalog Meyer mentions in the patent isn't around any more, and Siemens isn't in the ferrite business any more either.  If anyone has been able to find the exact specs of Meyers ferrite (meaning it's designed magnetic permeability), please share.

I did try bifilar wound inductors, as you stated you had better luck with them, but my results were no different than with the standard wound inductor.  Could you take a few pictures of your oscilloscope, with/without bifilar coils?  I would be happy to share some pictures of my setup to, as I believe it to be an exact replicate of what's described in the patent (with the exception of the unknown permeability of the ferrite of course).

And again, thanks for the reasonable, thought out reply.

[gyulasun]

Hi Folks,

I think you mention the ring core from Meyer's 4936961 patent:  In the Example of a fuel cell circuit of FIG. 1, a water capacitor is included. The step-up coil is formed on a conventional toroidal core formed of a compressed ferromagnetic powered material that will not itself become permanently magnetized, such as the trademarked "Ferramic 06# "Permag" powder as described in Siemens Ferrites Catalog, CG-2000-002-121, (Cleveland,  Ohio) No. F626-1205". The core is 1.50 inch in diameter and 0.25 inch in thickness. A primary coil of 200 turns of 24 gauge copper wire is provided and coil of 600 turns of 36 gauge wire comprises the secondary winding.

If so, then here is some info on a substitute ring from Palomar, this was discussed at waterfuelcell forum on Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:22 am by a member ,USF_Engineer/Scientist, there, see this link:   http://www.waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=260&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=15 

Here is another thread on the VIC transformer from also the waterfuelcell forum: http://www.waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=333 

So it turns out Siemens was bought up by Epcos hence maybe the Epcos ring cores are also worth studying, besides the Palomar ring.

rgds,  Gyula