HHO Efficentcy

[CrazyEwok]

Some information i have been playing with makes me wonder a bit about HHO and how we are using it in our engines... It is proven (well proven by those that run boosters) that a booster does work but there is information out there that the ignition of pure HHO creates a VACUUM... this is perplexing since it is being used to enhance an explosive machine... Now if even a small part of the HHO was causing an implosive effect this would hinder the overall explosion... The introduction of extra oxygen and hydrogen into the combustion process i can see really improves the efficientcy of the combustion process but if we were to run a system on this fuel alone there would be more of these implosvie reactions happening over the explosive ones. This mixed with the claims that the implosion is 4 times more powerful than the explosions that can be made from those 2 elements is killing your engines... I have come to the conclusion that a HHO system would have to be an enclosed system (not closed loop i have read reports that the reformed water is some what different to normal water?!?) which you supply all the ingredients into the reaction... this would be a hard thing to do!!! the second would be to syphon off the oxygen and use the hydrogen mixed with atmosphere in the hope of minimizing the implosive reactions... Again not very efficient but easier to do...
Closed systems would be alot better IMO as you would need alot less of the gas to run and would only need to change the timing to fire at bottom dead center thus giving you more power (more than 4 times as there would be no explosions) and proberly being able to be its own exhaust if done right...
Hmm to the drawing board

[TheNOP]

a perfect mix of hho will get you an implosion.
add nitrogen in that mix and the nitrogen will be expanded by the heat of the explosion.

there is more to it then just the faq above tho, at the atomic level.
high speed collapse have a particularity.

[CrazyEwok]

a perfect mix of hho will get you an implosion.
add nitrogen in that mix and the nitrogen will be expanded by the heat of the explosion.

nitrogen will expand fromt the heat of the explosion... right so if we only have oxygen and hydrogen we get an implosion but if nitrogen is there it expands from the heat but doesn't react with the hydrogen and oxygen in any other way... From memory implosions don't produce heat?!?

i get the feeling that some H2O is formed cooling the reaction and other things like Nitrosoxide (sorry too lazy to find chemical notation) and other impurities in the air mixing in with the H2 and O2 preventin their implosion but creating and explosion... ever get the thought that the more you learn there more there is out there needed to explain it...

[TheNOP]

From memory implosions don't produce heat?!?

with what do you think a hho plasma torch cut metals, glass, ceramic, etc... ?
it won't combust without heat being generated just because you combust it in a car engine. 

[CrazyEwok]

Ok... Just trying to make this black and white... Your saying that if you have HHO and "atmosphere(for arguments sake we'll state atmosphere is Hydrogen in tiny amounts, Oxygen in moderate amount and Nitrogen in massive amounts)" only the oxygen and hydrogen will implode and generate enough heat to make the nitrogen expand more than the vacuum created from the implosion? Other than expanding the Nitrogen doesn't react in any other way?

I find that a little hard to swallow... Sorry

IMO the idea of small implosion of the hydrogen and oxygen creating a small amount of negitive force is out weighed by the extra hydrogen and oxygen that mix with all the other elements in the mix creating more explosive reactions to out weigh the small amount of implosions. This would account for ICE engines being "flooded" by HHO. All that is happening is the amount of explosions is no longer outweighing the amount of implosions... Mind you you could explain it as there is not enough nitrogen to expand from the heat... this could only be prooved by seeing if there amount of nitrogen that comes out the exhaust is the same as the amount that goes in over a set period of time... otherwise you will have other compounds that have nitrogen in them coming out the tail pipe...

Hmmmm well i don't have the equipment to proove nor deny either statement...