Magnetic "Free Energy" designs released - finally!

[PaulLowrance]

Here is the solid-state design, Free Energy design #3 -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.0

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PL

[resonanceman]

Here is the solid-state design, Free Energy design #3 -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/forum/index.php?topic=201.0

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to find the nearest location. Too many insane people around the world corrupted from power, $. The only reason for saying this now is because the house phone has been ringing at various different hours lately. Who knows, it could be a common thief, as that's a known method to see if there's any pattern when people are home. So, the method of capturing ambient thermal energy is outlined at my forum. It's straight forward. That will not change.

PL

PaulLowrance

Design 3  looks interesting to  me.

I think that the hard part about getting it to work  would be in the coil switching  circuits.  '

What about  simplifying it  by using  a high and  a low voltage  like in the  the water arc threads?
Why not collect  the HV  as  flyback  from another  coil?.  .........or maybe flyback from  your  driving coils

The LV would be in effect a bias  voltage  on the coils to set up  a magnetic field in  your cores for the HV to " kick"

This  might be easier to do than I originally  thought .,     What  happens  when you  drive  your   input  coils with a simple saw tooth  waveform?

gary

[Craigy]

Hi Paul and others

In my time i have had the privilege of talking to a phd in physics about carnot engines and amoungst other things Steorns Orbo. It is interesting to note that Pauls train of thought is not far removed from the subject of this chat i had over 2 years ago about possible mechanisims to expalin the workings of an orbo. At this time we had not had the confirmation from Steorn that there were Not enough Magnetiocalorific effects to account for what was being observed.



What you have described below is the essence of the write up which I gave you. What is not described is what happens next. The state of the stator has to be "reset" in order for it to attract the next rotor magnet in. This happens by the action of thermal energy. After the escape, the stator magnet is in a highly structured state. Unless it is reset into a more random state, it cannot pull in the next rotor magnet. A good analogy is an ice cube floating in water. The ice cube is structured. The water molecules bang into it and gradually break down the structure, until eventually all the structure is gone. Afterwards, the entire mass of the water is COLDER  - this is the physical consequence of breaking down the structure. One could make up all kinds of fancy thermodynamic equations to represent this, but if you use the water and ice analogy it is intuitively obvious that the action of breaking down the structure results in a reduction in temperature.

Because you get a huge amount of mechanical energy fom a small amount of heat, then the temperature change may be hardly noticeable at first. Especially if the context is a motor with a large area rotating and moving air around, heat will be exchanged with the air and that will warm the stator so that it is reset for the next activity.
If what we are describing is an Orbo device, it is certainly not free energy. On the other hand it could be a really useful contrivance which might change the course of human history. If Steorn could be persuaded to  accept that they have a new class of heat engine, then the world could get on with a powerful new tool to fight global warming.

The most well known class of heat engine is the Carnot cycle, which uses two heat reservoirs and extracts mechanical energy as heat moves from one to the other. The device which we are discussing instead has a built in temperature reference, which is the temperature below which magnetic viscosity stops working. Left to operate in say, a Dewar flask, the device will operate until the rotor is cooled to that temperature and then stop. If you provide heat and warm up the rotor, it will carry on working.
This does not seem to violate any of the laws of thermodynamics, and it involves conservation of energy. (But it is a new class of heat engine which did not exist before) It could be amazingly useful - I still find this incredible to contemplate, but one of these motors equipped with a fan would keep going indefinitely, pulling heat out of the atmosphere as it tried to achieve its built in equilibrium temperature.  
So there you have it , a man far more qualified than humble little me , ( and more eloquent)  can see a device such as paul describes is posible. Although we are not talking about a true free energy machine since it is taking energy from a known source it is close enough for me...lol

Now this design is not chasing rainbows, but required a lot of material study before a prototype can be put together. One needs to know the bh curves of your materials to know when your core materials have returned to reminence. then perhaps you can think of a timing mechanisim. now off to look for some data on how to calculate magnetocalorific temperature drops, the worse than can happen is that i end up with a fridge lol....

[PaulLowrance]

Hi Craigy,

In my time i have had the privilege of talking to a phd in physics about carnot engines and amoungst other things Steorns Orbo. It is interesting to note that Pauls train of thought is not far removed from the subject of this chat i had over 2 years ago about possible mechanisims to expalin the workings of an orbo. At this time we had not had the confirmation from Steorn that there were Not enough Magnetiocalorific effects to account for what was being observed.

It's not possible to know how much energy is exchanged during Magnetocaloric effect from just a change in temperature. One would also need to know the change in specific heat capacity due to the change in magnetic field, which would make a significant difference at ambient temperature (so-called thermal equilibrium). Lets consider an example of magnetic material below Curie temperature at ambient temperature. When the magnetic field is applied, potential energy is released, but most (not all) of such energy goes into various areas such as the lattices, magnetocrystalline anisotropy, etc. Even though there's a significant release of potential energy with the increase in applied magnetic field, most of it's not translated into a change in temperature. If Steorn said the equated energy from Magnetocaloric effect is insufficient, and they made no reference to taking sensitive specific heat capacity measurements, then such information is unfortunately meaningless.

What you have described below is the essence of the write up which I gave you. What is not described is what happens next. The state of the stator has to be "reset" in order for it to attract the next rotor magnet in. This happens by the action of thermal energy. After the escape, the stator magnet is in a highly structured state. Unless it is reset into a more random state, it cannot pull in the next rotor magnet. A good analogy is an ice cube floating in water. The ice cube is structured. The water molecules bang into it and gradually break down the structure, until eventually all the structure is gone. Afterwards, the entire mass of the water is COLDER  - this is the physical consequence of breaking down the structure. One could make up all kinds of fancy thermodynamic equations to represent this, but if you use the water and ice analogy it is intuitively obvious that the action of breaking down the structure results in a reduction in temperature.

Because you get a huge amount of mechanical energy fom a small amount of heat, then the temperature change may be hardly noticeable at first. Especially if the context is a motor with a large area rotating and moving air around, heat will be exchanged with the air and that will warm the stator so that it is reset for the next activity.
  If what we are describing is an Orbo device, it is certainly not free energy. On the other hand it could be a really useful contrivance which might change the course of human history. If Steorn could be persuaded to  accept that they have a new class of heat engine, then the world could get on with a powerful new tool to fight global warming.

I'm not sure what type of device you're describing there. If the device captures energy from ambient thermal energy per cycle, then it would definitely violate the 2nd laws of thermodynamics.

The most well known class of heat engine is the Carnot cycle, which uses two heat reservoirs and extracts mechanical energy as heat moves from one to the other. The device which we are discussing instead has a built in temperature reference, which is the temperature below which magnetic viscosity stops working. Left to operate in say, a Dewar flask, the device will operate until the rotor is cooled to that temperature and then stop. If you provide heat and warm up the rotor, it will carry on working.
This does not seem to violate any of the laws of thermodynamics, and it involves conservation of energy. (But it is a new class of heat engine which did not exist before) It could be amazingly useful - I still find this incredible to contemplate, but one of these motors equipped with a fan would keep going indefinitely, pulling heat out of the atmosphere as it tried to achieve its built in equilibrium temperature.
So there you have it , a man far more qualified than humble little me , ( and more eloquent)  can see a device such as paul describes is posible. Although we are not talking about a true free energy machine since it is taking energy from a known source it is close enough for me...lol

We must be talking about two different devices. In reference to my Free Energy devices (1 through 3), they would produce continuous power 24 hours per day, 365 days per year at any hospitable location on Earth while *not* requiring any macro scale temperature gradients. That is called a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind, and clearly violates the 2nd laws of thermodynamics.  May I ask what device you were referring to?


PL

[PaulLowrance]

PaulLowrance

Design 3  looks interesting to  me.

I think that the hard part about getting it to work  would be in the coil switching  circuits.  '

What about  simplifying it  by using  a high and  a low voltage  like in the  the water arc threads?
Why not collect  the HV  as  flyback  from another  coil?.  .........or maybe flyback from  your  driving coils

The LV would be in effect a bias  voltage  on the coils to set up  a magnetic field in  your cores for the HV to " kick"

This  might be easier to do than I originally  thought .,     What  happens  when you  drive  your   input  coils with a simple saw tooth  waveform?

gary

Hi Gary,

I'm not a big fan of HV, unless absolutely necessary because in order for it to be half way efficient one needs to use relatively thick electrically insulated wire with HV breakdown. Also, more windings equates to more parallel capacitance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I prefer high current over high voltage. MOSFET's are our friends.   If there's too much losses in one MOSFET, then place two MOSFET's in parallel, or three, or four, until the losses are low enough. Just make sure the MOSFET's are properly driven and it will be great.

Can you tell, I love MOSFET's. 

PL