Aiming @ the VIC coil

[Room3327]

Dankie,
          Yes the more coils you stick into the flyback circuit the higher the output voltage goes.  But it is just like adding more turns to the 2 coils already in the circuit thats all it is doing, and it will give you a higher flyback voltage.

[Shanti]

Having the same voltage on both sides of the WFC accomplishes nothing.  When I said he has the connections wrong in the patent I meant that if the circuit is connected as shown in the patent, the magnetic fields produced by the action would be in opposition to each other and cancel each other out and you would get no flyback action with the VIC.

Well, as I described, this would actually not be the case. There surely is still a flyback effect in the bifilars, if they are on the same core as the primary/secondary, as then they share it's magnetic field. But as I told before, the flyback voltage of the bifilars would be the same polarity. So the WFC would then always only see the voltage difference of the secondary, but on a fast changig modified overall potential, caused by the bifilars.
And IMHO Dr Stifflers circuit shows (and already Tesla did mention this), that even having just the same "one wire" voltage in a WFC does split water, if one does it right. And my suggestion was, that having additionally the secondary voltage across even could improves this as it pre-seperates the ions. 

Sure maybe this theory is not correct. But as long as nobody was able to replicate Stan's VIC, every theory is as good as the other, at least IMHO.
And there are many many possible theories...
BTW: In his drawings, he used both ways of bifilars polarity in the patents. In one patent that way, in another patent the other way..


What really puzzles me, is that, as I mentioned, the coil setup in Fig 1 doesn't really make sense. E.g.:
* The secondary is wound with more turns than the bifilars, and so will very probably output quite a high voltage. Also the splitting of the winding in a lot of pieces does make sense therefore, for insulation reasons, as used in any conventional HV-Flyback.
But if the secondary does output such a high voltage, the insulation of the bifilars, which are connected to it, could never stand it!
* The bifilars are also wound in a HV-Flyback manner, namely seperated into different sections. But as has been stated also by Room3327, this would not make sense, as the voltage the enamellation of the bifilars could withstand is very low. So either you wouldn't need the sectioning (when the bifilars only generate a small voltage), or the high voltage of the bifilars would destroy the enamellation.

The only solution, if one would think of a conventional flyback action for all three coils (secondary and the bifilars) would be, that the VIC wasn't made as Stan described it in this pic. Namely, that the bifilars were not bifilar...
But as has been seen by his "Gas Ionizer Cavity", whose Stan original has surfaced, his drawings/descriptions were exactly what he had done.
It's also interesting, that he only has three distinct Sections in this "Gas Ionizer Cavity"-VIC. Probabely due to the fact, that the used end-voltages were lower, as the dielectric breakdown voltage of air is much lower than that of water, and you obviously wouldn't wanna, that the electrodes just arc over.

[Room3327]

The only solution, if one would think of a conventional flyback action for all three coils (secondary and the bifilars) would be, that the VIC wasn't made as Stan described it in this pic. Namely, that the bifilars were not bifilar...


Shanti,
     Good post,  I agree with you that the bifilar coils were probably not bifilar in the flyback.  I sure wouldn't have designed it that way, but remember in a tied back on itself bifilar coil, the maximum voltage between wires can only be one half of the imposed voltage, although I don't see how that would help in this case as I believe the voltages would have been too high anyway.

[dankie]

The only solution, if one would think of a conventional flyback action for all three coils (secondary and the bifilars) would be, that the VIC wasn't made as Stan described it in this pic. Namely, that the bifilars were not bifilar...


Shanti,
     Good post,  I agree with you that the bifilar coils were probably not bifilar in the flyback.  I sure wouldn't have designed it that way, but remember in a tied back on itself bifilar coil, the maximum voltage between wires can only be one half of the imposed voltage, although I don't see how that would help in this case as I believe the voltages would have been too high anyway.

Why so worried about dielectric breakdown of the wire ??

I believe each cavity has the resonant chokes wrapped in sequantial order , blue/red/blue/red ...

[Room3327]

Dankie,
     Have you ever triggered a stungun and seen the blue spark jump between terminals, stunguns start at 50,000 volts and go to about 500,000 volts.  50,000 volts will jump a 1/2 inch air gap easy. In the stungun the gap is in there to protect the transformer( and put on a show for the attacker) otherwise the voltage would find other paths through the coil to arc through and you burn out the coil.  If for instance the bobbin has 8 segments to it, and you are building a 40,000 volt transformer, that would put 40,000/8 or 5,000 volts across each segment how do you even contain that voltage with 300 volt transformer wire or even the HV 600 volt stuff.  If the depth of the segment is .250, from the bottom windings to the top windings of that segment there is 5,000 volts across a .250 gap are you getting the picture.  that is why special things should be done as Grumpy stated in a different thread, like put it in a box and fill it with tar type stuff. and I suggested sparkplug wire for the output. Mylar tape is really a requisite for HV transformers.  The segments are not resonant cavities or resonant anythings, it is to partition the High voltage to try and prevent arc over which can be death to a transformer of this type.