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[Tito L. Oracion]

Could a relay be used to mechanically switch the "short" to charge the cap? If the relay will work I would imagine you could pulse it with a circuit similar to the joule thief replacing the LED with the relay. I believe I read the joule thief pulses something like 20,000 times per sec, I just don't know if the relay could keep pace.

hi window
good idea! but mechanical relay cannot make a pulse of 20,000 times per second  maybe a solid state relay can.
and there should have a timing technique. cause its none sense to charge a fully charge caps.

[Windowpane]

True, my thought was that if the relay would work then perhaps 2 would satisfy the charge/discharge function. One relay being normally open and one normally closed. I my mind if they are both pulsed by the same source their timing should be exactly opposite of each other. You could then charge with one and discharge with the other. Like that animated pic I saw around the beginning somewhere.

[Magluvin]

I dont remember this thread here. Tito had shown this guys vids as an example a few times.

Reading it over, Im getting the gist of the idea. I think. 

When it comes to thinking of how an OU device process might work, first we want to an amount of input and some larger output when it comes to power.

Paul Laurence was a big deterrent in this thread. I remember he was an auss.

Bearden said a special wire or conductor is needed to increase relaxation time.

From what Im understanding is, the coil made from this wire will accept a pulsed potential put across it, but there is a delay of sorts before the electrons begin to flow. And after the potential is taken away, the coil seems to believe that the potential hasnt been taken away yet, and current begins to flow.

So pulse the coil, and current flows after, thus no current from the source.

So, can a coil be made with copper, instead of 98%Al  2%Iron, to get this function?

NRG used what he claimed to be a bifi coil, with the 2 conductors connected in parallel. Not a series bifi. And he said there is a reason for having the 2 conductors wound together instead of just 1, but never explained it.

I wonder if there is a difference, and what it is?  The best way to compare is to wind 1 coil wit 2 parallel wires and another with larger single wire, to get similar sized coil along with the same resistance.

He said the coil was loosely wound.

I was thinking that a bifi coil, series bifi, that the capacitance could be charged in the bifi, maybe before current flows. Maybe. Discharge a tiny cap at HV, then see if the coil discharges to a load or cap with any significance.

Just thinking.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Bifi coils interest me because of what Tesla said about the tremendous amount of horse power that can be derived.

Im not sure what he means by that. Or how we might go about doing it. There have been some interesting things done with them it seems. Luc, NRG and Zeropoint132.

Zeropoints self running, no bearing Bedini, he claimed 4000 turns bifi. 1 of the windings was like 30awg and the other 26awg. Something like that. The point is, why the difference in wire size and why so many turns?

Was thinking on it. Just to amuse myself.

There is a type of capacitor that is called asymetric. One plate has more area than the other. This could be a possible reason for the diff in wire size. Utkin pdf talks about asymetric capacitors. It describes a coax cable as a possible asymetric capacitor, where the shield has more surface area than the signal wire inside.
Im pondering a possible connection there.  Not done yet.

Or maybe the difference is to make the coil more dense, but has bifi capacitance to work with. Like the 2 windings in bifi, do their thing while the passing magnet is inducing a charge in the coil, but only the heavier winding is used to push the magnet after the pass using the stored charge.


The 4000 turns. Thats quite a bit.  If we look at a neon transformer secondary, there are probably thousands of turns. If one understands the function of an AV plug connected to 1 end of the neon secondary, then one can understand that charge in the open ended secondary while the neon transformer is operating, that charge is being compressed and decompressed from one end of the secondary winding to the other, pumping into 1 of the diodes of the AV plug, then sucking out of the other diode, charging a cap.

I believe that the longer the winding of the secondary, the more pumping that can be had 1 ended.

So if we have a 4000 turn bifi, with the 2 coils connected in series, but at the series connection we have a diode, and leave the other 2 coil ends open, then a magnet pass will charge the bifi capacitance, through the diode. 4000 turns I could imagine a possible 1uf maybe. This charge might be fairly high voltage, stored in the capacitance of the 2 windings.

When a rotor magnet approaches the coil, the field lines that are cutting the coil on the approaching side will cause current to flow through the coil in one direction, and as the mag passes center, and the mag field cuts the departure side of the coil, currents will flow in the other direction in the coil. This is why we get an AC waveform of the generator coil.

Lenz. If the gen coil is loaded or shorted, when the mag approaches the coil, the currents in the coil produce a like field, opposing the magnets movement by repelling through the approach. Drag. And when the mag passes center and cuts the departure side of the coil, currents in the coil are reversed, causing an opposite field to the magnet, pulling or attracting the magnet. Further drag. Its funny when ya think about it.

Just thinking in simple terms.  Now we add a reed switch to the open ends of the bifi coil with the diode making the series connection of the 2 windings.

The capacitance of the bifi can be considered a load. So when the mag approaches the coil, reed is open, the bifi capacitance is charged through the diode. When the mag passes center, we time the reed to wait till the mag is just at the outer edge of the departing side of the coil, then close the reed. This charge in the bifi cap, when the reed closes, will push the rotor mag away from the coil.

I dont know if it will work. Its just a simplified version of how I think a Zeropoint motor 'might' work. I dont know if the drag while charging the bifi cap would be detrimental to it all yet.  Simple idea though.

Ive got to get more wire. Had a coil made but used the wire for other stuff when I could not get Z's circuit(there were 2 circuits and they were different) to work. But I didnt have this clear simple idea in mind at the time.

Bifi coils. How do we get them to do what Tesla had claimed? We have to try some different things I suppose. Ive got a couple ideas that are different. Im going to dig in for a bit and see what happens.

Mags

[ramset]

Loner
I have nothing but grattitude for your contribution,That post is a true Gift !
So simple and helpful!!
Have a happy holiday.

Thx
Chet
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