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ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

Started by Tito L. Oracion, February 06, 2009, 01:45:08 AM

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Dave45

Quote from: Cadman on January 03, 2014, 03:02:30 PM
Thinking out load here.

Tito has said things like "very fast make/break" and "its the arrangement of capacitor discharging separate from the source to the coil" and "did you try discharging many caps sequentially on a coil? and charging them sequentially also?"

Also MileHigh explained here about back emf energy being the same as the energy put into a coil to energize it. http://www.overunity.com/12686/is-joule-thief-circuit-gets-overunity/msg345672/#msg345672

Now, what if... you pulse a coil with just enough energy to charge it, disconnect the charge source, send the back emf into a second coil, take the back emf from the second coil and send to a third coil, before reconnecting the charge source to the first coil, and repeat.

Could we not harvest energy from the magnetic field of all three coils?
Well if Milehigh is right then your just bouncing around 10 joules from one coil to the other, to use his power example.
But it has been shown that a capacitor can be step charged with voltage only, no current, so maybe this is the answer, like Tito says high voltage into cap discharged into a coil, I just wish I had a circuit schematic for that  :-\

a.king21

Quote from: Dave45 on January 03, 2014, 06:54:31 PM
Well if Milehigh is right then your just bouncing around 10 joules from one coil to the other, to use his power example.
But it has been shown that a capacitor can be step charged with voltage only, no current, so maybe this is the answer, like Tito says high voltage into cap discharged into a coil, I just wish I had a circuit schematic for that  :-\


Tito has told us a million times to look at the following patents: They contain the disruptive discharge circuit.Tesla essentially shorts a capacitor for a fraction of a second and generates radiant energy.
Quote from: a.king21 on January 02, 2014, 08:43:47 PM


Why Tito prefers Tesla's ozone 1888  patent to Tesla's igniter  1886 patent.



There is one fundamental difference in the ozone patent and it is this:




The ozone patent routes the power through the electric motor driving the circuit controller.




This has the effect of Stochastic mixing. The spark gap in the electric motor is adding
energy to the power already in the circuit.
Additionally by routing the power through the motor, it will not short if the motor should lose power because
the rest of the circuit will move the contacts on.
So the ozone patent is better.
Benitez talks about the same thing in his patents 100 years ago.




Nice one Tito.


You can test the circuit without using a Tesla controller also known  as  Tesla switch.
Just do it by hand.

Cadman

QuoteWell if Milehigh is right then your just bouncing around 10 joules from one coil to the other

Granted some energy will be lost between the coils but each 'bounce' could be used to do some work.

Think about it, a coil will collapse its field in a very short span of time. What could we get if we charged up a cap with some serious energy then discharged it through a coil train like this via some "very fast make/breaks" ?

The first coil when energized will create a magnetic field, which can be used by a secondary coil via induction, and that energy could, for instance, be stored in a cap, or perhaps forwarded for other use. Ditto for the remaining coils in the train, and the final coil in the train could also dump any residual BEMF into a cap. So we would, from each pulse from the source, charge multiple caps.

Since the pulse would be DC, parallel the coils and use diodes (or a Tesla switch) to allow only the reversed polarity BEMF current to go from one coil to the next in line, then the reverse BEMF current from that coil to the next, etc.


d3x0r

Quote from: Cadman on January 03, 2014, 08:35:35 PM
Granted some energy will be lost between the coils but each 'bounce' could be used to do some work.

Think about it, a coil will collapse its field in a very short span of time. What could we get if we charged up a cap with some serious energy then discharged it through a coil train like this via some "very fast make/breaks" ?

The first coil when energized will create a magnetic field, which can be used by a secondary coil via induction, and that energy could, for instance, be stored in a cap, or perhaps forwarded for other use. Ditto for the remaining coils in the train, and the final coil in the train could also dump any residual BEMF into a cap. So we would, from each pulse from the source, charge multiple caps.

Since the pulse would be DC, parallel the coils and use diodes (or a Tesla switch) to allow only the reversed polarity BEMF current to go from one coil to the next in line, then the reverse BEMF current from that coil to the next, etc.
takes a longer time to get the coil up to charge... for as much forward momentum you impart is as much as you get back out; just at a different time rate... in 1v 1A for 1S and get 1GV 1A in 1nS which is a huge spike but no more power than you put in; I tried to track information on this step charging which was indeed anomolous; looked like most papers resulted in 'because of the incomplete treatment of parts as pure capacitance or pure inductance leads to anomolous calculations; but in reality a capacitor has a small in inductance because a current does flow... so a capacitor cannot charge instantaneously"




Dave45

The bemf is caused by the collapsing magnetic field so if you put in 10 joules take 7 joules from the coil via induction the bemf would only be 3 joules.

@d3x0r
The trick would be to use high voltage and not take all power from the cap just short high power pulses after the cap was fully charged. I too have been looking to build the circuit,