ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[TinselKoala]

Thanks for clarifying me and forgive me for intruding, I am not an expert in electronics like you, I am simply someone who would like to discover something in this area for pleasure and own satisfaction.
Can you please tell me if you already got an OU unit?
all the best ...


http://www.esmhome.org/library/aaron-murakami/radiantwatersparkplug.jpg


http://freeenergylt.narod.ru/olderfiles/6/FREE_ENERGY_8.jpg

or

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-r9LBLk0Lwn4/TjaUt6ao9jI/AAAAAAAAAFg/4zcJz7J_beo/s1600/schematic.GIF

I´m just a newbie.....sorry....I think no one post the real schematics on the web....

Zd

There is no need to apologize, you are not "intruding" and I am not an expert in electronics. I think that title belongs to MarkE and perhaps several others, not me, but I am expert in other important areas that affect these discussions. I can tell you, however, that I certainly do know more about _actual_ electronics than those presenters in those videos. I have been dealing in particular with the false claims and ignorance and outright lies of Aaron Murakami in particular for over five years.  I had to educate him in the basic use of his oscilloscope, in the relationship between mosfet gate signal and drain voltage, in the functioning of 555 timer circuits, in making power measurements in pulsed circuits, and even in the operation and testing of his _own_ circuits, and more, years ago. Just look at my YT channel and search for videos containing "Aaron" and "Ainslie" as keywords.

What these claimants call "radiant" is nothing more than high frequency, high voltage electrodynamics, often produced by inductive collapse effects from rapidly interrupting the current to an inductor. There is no mystery about this. Every time you listen to a radio you are detecting, converting and using the same kind of "radiant" energy... and that's why it's called a "radio". The presenters in those linked videos and many others prefer to relabel ordinary things and cloak them with an air of  mystery because they themselves do not understand what they are doing, but are attempting to stuff observed phenomena into their own dearly-held "theoretical" belief systems.

As far as I can tell, what is being demonstrated in those videos is nothing more than a kludged-together capacitive discharge ignition system, with a couple of different choices of total capacitance being discharged into the coil primary. It is "disingenuous" in the extreme for them to claim that the relay prevents power from the wall socket from reaching the primary, when in fact all the power to charge the capacitors is coming from the wall socket and the relay simply switches between operating modes. The first image that you link, from Err-on himself, illustrates the very most basic capacitive discharge ignition system. The more energy stored in the capacitor, the more energy in the resulting spark. People have been using cap discharge ignition systems to increase the performance of their automobiles for many years. If you think adding a bit of water to the spark plug makes an interesting effect... try adding the same amount of gasoline instead of water!

A plasma is created by the spark. Big deal, call the Nobel Committee right away. Adding some water mist does several things, and it is true that the intense spark can dissociate the water molecules and create the gases, which then recombine right away, causing various color effects in the plasma and even mechanical shockwaves. It is not true that this process liberates any excess energy. I know this because I spent literally years of fulltime work, even getting paid, to assist Peter Graneau with his water-arc energy liberation experiments, and I have explored just about every configuration of electrodes, water, high voltage plasmas and means of extracting energy from same that several really creative and smart people could think of.  Much of this work is actually published in real, peer-reviewed scientific literature, some of it under PG's authorship and some making false claims that were later retracted by other co-authors when they were determined to be indeed false.

I must apologize to _you_ for this rant. Every time I see Aaron and his cohorts misrepresenting their effects and misleading people as to the causes, I get a little "hot" myself. And to answer your question... no, I have never seen a reliable demonstration of any excess energy produced by anyone with any apparatus. I have seen and investigated many claims of such, and it is very common to see people claiming "OU" for systems that have high _peak_ power outputs for small _average_ power inputs, or that produce high levels of unusable, illusory reactive "power" or rather Volt-Amps-Reactive or VARs. But power is not energy and peak power amplification is not hard to achieve, and reactive "power" is not usable for anything other than painting pretty pictures on oscilloscopes, and fooling people into donating money to scammers (see the QEG thread).

Some more things for your amusement and consideration:
Effect of added _output_ capacitance on a high voltage "radiant" plasma system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU

A 24 volt input, hybrid SS-SG Tesla coil producing a _lot_ of "radiant" and a lot of peak power (white marks on the black ruler are in inches):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk

A water-drop triggered, very high voltage capacitive discharge system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGIcIgtrLk

And the photo below shows a field map of the "radiant" field emitted by a pure, Class E solid state Tesla coil operating at less than 75 watts input:

[zdiblo]

There is no need to apologize, you are not "intruding" and I am not an expert in electronics. I think that title belongs to MarkE and perhaps several others, not me, but I am expert in other important areas that affect these discussions. I can tell you, however, that I certainly do know more about _actual_ electronics than those presenters in those videos. I have been dealing in particular with the false claims and ignorance and outright lies of Aaron Murakami in particular for over five years.  I had to educate him in the basic use of his oscilloscope, in the relationship between mosfet gate signal and drain voltage, in the functioning of 555 timer circuits, in making power measurements in pulsed circuits, and even in the operation and testing of his _own_ circuits, and more, years ago. Just look at my YT channel and search for videos containing "Aaron" and "Ainslie" as keywords.

What these claimants call "radiant" is nothing more than high frequency, high voltage electrodynamics, often produced by inductive collapse effects from rapidly interrupting the current to an inductor. There is no mystery about this. Every time you listen to a radio you are detecting, converting and using the same kind of "radiant" energy... and that's why it's called a "radio". The presenters in those linked videos and many others prefer to relabel ordinary things and cloak them with an air of  mystery because they themselves do not understand what they are doing, but are attempting to stuff observed phenomena into their own dearly-held "theoretical" belief systems.

As far as I can tell, what is being demonstrated in those videos is nothing more than a kludged-together capacitive discharge ignition system, with a couple of different choices of total capacitance being discharged into the coil primary. It is "disingenuous" in the extreme for them to claim that the relay prevents power from the wall socket from reaching the primary, when in fact all the power to charge the capacitors is coming from the wall socket and the relay simply switches between operating modes. The first image that you link, from Err-on himself, illustrates the very most basic capacitive discharge ignition system. The more energy stored in the capacitor, the more energy in the resulting spark. People have been using cap discharge ignition systems to increase the performance of their automobiles for many years. If you think adding a bit of water to the spark plug makes an interesting effect... try adding the same amount of gasoline instead of water!

A plasma is created by the spark. Big deal, call the Nobel Committee right away. Adding some water mist does several things, and it is true that the intense spark can dissociate the water molecules and create the gases, which then recombine right away, causing various color effects in the plasma and even mechanical shockwaves. It is not true that this process liberates any excess energy. I know this because I spent literally years of fulltime work, even getting paid, to assist Peter Graneau with his water-arc energy liberation experiments, and I have explored just about every configuration of electrodes, water, high voltage plasmas and means of extracting energy from same that several really creative and smart people could think of.  Much of this work is actually published in real, peer-reviewed scientific literature, some of it under PG's authorship and some making false claims that were later retracted by other co-authors when they were determined to be indeed false.

I must apologize to _you_ for this rant. Every time I see Aaron and his cohorts misrepresenting their effects and misleading people as to the causes, I get a little "hot" myself. And to answer your question... no, I have never seen a reliable demonstration of any excess energy produced by anyone with any apparatus. I have seen and investigated many claims of such, and it is very common to see people claiming "OU" for systems that have high _peak_ power outputs for small _average_ power inputs, or that produce high levels of unusable, illusory reactive "power" or rather Volt-Amps-Reactive or VARs. But power is not energy and peak power amplification is not hard to achieve, and reactive "power" is not usable for anything other than painting pretty pictures on oscilloscopes, and fooling people into donating money to scammers (see the QEG thread).

Some more things for your amusement and consideration:
Effect of added _output_ capacitance on a high voltage "radiant" plasma system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XRwlNCF1PU

A 24 volt input, hybrid SS-SG Tesla coil producing a _lot_ of "radiant" and a lot of peak power (white marks on the black ruler are in inches):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk

A water-drop triggered, very high voltage capacitive discharge system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGIcIgtrLk

And the photo below shows a field map of the "radiant" field emitted by a pure, Class E solid state Tesla coil operating at less than 75 watts input:

Thanks for your informative explanation, case closed ...
Again, thank you for sharing your wisdom, I'm learning ... and I will not talk about it anymore because I am a little man from a small country and do not know anything about this ...my MISSION is completed...
Sorry to disturb you again.
My best regards.

Zd

[forest]

TinselKoala,MarkE

I'm using trigger on channel A with Auto trigger. I don't understand what Normal trigger mode can do, mostly it looks the same as Auto one.And yes, I'm using ALT view to see both signals from Channel A and B so I can scroll one of them to bu upper and one lower and compare. I wish you know what I mean.So, should I change to Normal triggering mode and trigger only on channel A with scope connected to the output of microcontroller and scope on channel B connected to the coil end near the Source of mosfet ? Is that correct ?


P.S. Tinsel, Wow! Don't you think you react too emotionally ? Aaron is maybe a sneaky pal trying to get attention but this experiment with car coil is really cool and has a secret hidden ,maybe 
Do you REALLY wish to "fight to death" defending current scientific dogma
, even if the change is right behind the corner ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-NhDeNGh7M&list=UUZjwwSkok_CxM1zRFx2EBLg&index=9

[nelsonrochaa]

Thanks for your informative explanation, case closed ...
Again, thank you for sharing your wisdom, I'm learning ... and I will not talk about it anymore because I am a little man from a small country and do not know anything about this ...
Sorry to disturb you again.
My best regards.

Zd

Was following the post and I was curious how much truth and wisdom could be found at forum of this kind.
We must always listen to the opinions of others, and we must know how to take the best of those opinions but do not mean that to be the most certain.

Surely there will be some people who have devoted a great deal of his time to this type of work and is  only by bigotry as Aaron? I think not ....
The effect that Aaron demonstrated that it was not so basic as described herein.
This same effect contrary to what has been said, can be played without the use of power grid and with only with only 12V.

This just to see fit that there are no absolute truths and that laws were created by men in order to be convenient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0


I think I'm one of the people that Tim mentioned as part of the people who do not know what they are doing.

But after solemn speech I even feel more comforted by what I do.

Lots of luck to you in your investigations and your decisions

[forest]

Nelson
Counting on your amps usage maybe also using 9V battery  but I understand you may have no reason to use it  and took negative comments.
It remains me some effect of an arrow when it sharply pierce into the hard wood.The arrow movement is abruptly stopped yet still there is energy flow which cannot dissipate and return back and form kind of very fast oscillations of the end part of arrow beatting against the air...