Knitel's InfinityPump

[broli]

Hi Stefan,
are you willing to spend some of the "overunity prize" in order to build it?

The competition has rules. It's indeed too bad stuff like this doesn't get sponsored by non profit organizations or something. The amount of free minds on here is astounding, give them the right tools and equipment and they will make amazing things.

[tbird]

Third

Siphon, no

Mechanical suction yes[upside down bicycle pump]

If the big weight displaces more than the pick up tube

The weight will not stay up,and will suck [not siphon] water from the tank below

Chet

hi chet,

i can see where one may not think they are the same.  one thing different in your example is the tire pump uses air (gas) and the syphon is used with liquid.

to help farther, using a liquid suction pump, how high can you suck water before the pump doesn't work and why?  answer, about 10 meters.  after that the tension on the water is too great and it breaks, so to speak.  some have said the pressure decreases to the point it boils.  either way you end up with cavitation.

now if we put our syphon hose in a bucket with water level at 2 feet and start the syphon to a bucket on the ground, no problem.  but if we extend the loop from the bucket's edge to 10+ meters, what happens?  that's right, it stops due to this same cavitation.

so no matter if you call it suction or syphon, the effect is the same.

[wizkycho]

@tbird

displacement...
1dm3 (that is weight of 1kg of water (in air))

100dm3 is 100Kg of water
100dm3 is 1130 Kg of Lead
100dm3 is 0.1293Kg of air

100dm3 is Volume of displacement. it is same , but we should more concentrate on density of material. every material or combination of them that has lower density
then factor 1 (water at 4 deg.) will go to surface of water cause it weighs less then same ammount of displaced water. If material's density factor is higher then 1 then
that object goes to bottom gravity prevails over boyancy (this never happens in infinity pump.)

Air in combination with lead inside container gives us wide range of factors that can be used 0.001293 to 1  (say 1 - 1000) to make our MP heavier then air And lighter than water And MP overall heavier(weight in air) then complete weight of water in input pipe...to make enough preassure to start suction...

Wiz

[hansvonlieven]

@tbird

I'see what you mean. but diameter of input pipe maters.

If pipe is smaller in diameter then it holds less weight of water per meter of altitude(height). Bigger pipe in diameter holds larger weight of water per meter of height. isn't it so ?

So in order to lift water column to 1m height you would need less energy (m*g*h) to do so if pipe is smaller in diameter cause weight of this 1m column of water is smaller. can we agree here ?

If this is not so then with say 100W of input energy you would be able to lift infinite weight of water at 1m height. and here we have a type of nonworkable overunity.

By the way.

Calculus and mathematics is nothing more then attempt of describing laws of physics,
Sometimes it is more egzact and sometimes just like artist painter tries to capture natures beauty - it is never that beautifull.
Physics is first.
After that proper mathematics (with right brushes and pallete colours) should be applied to describe what was obviously seen.
False Mathematics can allso be used to overpaint someones sight and to blind one and convince that what really is - isn't. hope you are not doing it.

Wiz

What you are saying is incorrect.

In a hydraulic or hydrostatic system the only thing that matters is PRESSURE.

The pressure of a water column is determined by the column height. Therefore the pressure at the bottom of a pipe with a diameter of 1 meter is exactly the same as the pressure at the bottom on a pipe with a diameter of 1 centimeter.

The weight of the larger diameter water column is much higher, but it is spread over a larger area.

You should read up on hydrostatic paradox, that will tell you why your device cannot work.

Hans von Lieven

[tbird]

@tbird

displacement...
1dm3 (that is weight of 1kg of water (in air))

100dm3 is 100Kg of water
100dm3 is 1130 Kg of Lead
100dm3 is 0.1293Kg of air

100dm3 is Volume of displacement. it is same , but we should more concentrate on density of material. every material or combination of them that has lower density
then factor 1 (water at 4 deg.) will go to surface of water cause it weighs less then same ammount of displaced water. If material's density factor is higher then 1 then
that object goes to bottom gravity prevails over boyancy (this never happens in infinity pump.)

Air in combination with lead inside container gives us wide range of factors that can be used 0.001293 to 1  (say 1 - 1000) to make our MP heavier then air And lighter than water And MP overall heavier(weight in air) then complete weight of water in input pipe...to make enough preassure to start suction...

Wiz

i think i understand what your post is saying.  if i am right, to know how much air/lead you need for the transfer from supply water, we need to know how high the pickup tube is (from water level).  this gives us head pressure to overcome.

as long as you are at it, what are the other sizes, cylinder height and disk surface area?

tom

ps   don't you mean cm3 instead of dm3?