Knitel's InfinityPump

[AB Hammer]

Stefan, tbird, wizkycho, and all

What I posted on « Reply #50 on: Today at 03:04:28 PM » of course will not work LOL. It was meant  to show a point. With a piston or without there are some of the same properties to deal with. Adding a piston inside is allot of extra friction and you are having to deal with vacuum, valving, and more. I just don't see a working device. At best I see the weight at the bottom and the valves open to to try to allow fluid in and it goes out and it goes nowhere. How are you going to control those valves with the reaction of the system to work in sequence?

Thus the reason I said.
After long evaluation of this design. My findings are you would be better off taking out the piston. At least you would have better reaction for a short time, for what it is worth.
A short time watching the water poor out till the drip stops.

[wizkycho]

@tbird

I'see what you mean. but diameter of input pipe maters.

If pipe is smaller in diameter then it holds less weight of water per meter of altitude(height). Bigger pipe in diameter holds larger weight of water per meter of height. isn't it so ?

So in order to lift water column to 1m height you would need less energy (m*g*h) to do so if pipe is smaller in diameter cause weight of this 1m column of water is smaller. can we agree here ?

If this is not so then with say 100W of input energy you would be able to lift infinite weight of water at 1m height. and here we have a type of nonworkable overunity.

By the way.

Calculus and mathematics is nothing more then attempt of describing laws of physics,
Sometimes it is more egzact and sometimes just like artist painter tries to capture natures beauty - it is never that beautifull.
Physics is first.
After that proper mathematics (with right brushes and pallete colours) should be applied to describe what was obviously seen.
False Mathematics can allso be used to overpaint someones sight and to blind one and convince that what really is - isn't. hope you are not doing it.

Wiz

[wizkycho]

@ABhammer

yes, without piston (MP as heavy in air and allso ultra light in water object moveable ponton type part), water will eventually stop driping,
allso all of the cilinder's water and pipe water will end up in container below and water will overflow and
spill outside of animation boundaries.

that is why I draw a piston (MP as heavy in air and allso antigravity properties in water object, moveable ponton type part), see !

Wiz

[sushimoto]

@ABHammer:
Your concept will not work.
Air will come in and kill it.
You need the weight and the valves.

@TBird,
I don´t understand your problem.

You can make the weight also 1000 kg
if it will still float ( have positive buoyancy force = will swimm)

This way you will have enough "sucking power" to suck
up all the water through V1 through the small pipe ( also helped via the external 1 bar air pressure
of the environment)
and push-press down the water beneath it.

@All,
the wite space surely can be air inside the cylinder as
long as no more air will come into the system after several cycles, the system
will work im my humble opinion and will pump water infinitely.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,
are you willing to spend some of the "overunity prize" in order to build it?
This is just my humble question if you are so confident with it.
The concept does not seem to be too hard to build by a professional craftsman.
.... At least as an imperfect proof of concept.

My contribution offer is to deliver professional blueprints and 3D drawings if it helps.
But as lazy as i am, i dont want to calculate dimensions.
So please put some numbers on it.



regards,
sushi

[tbird]

@tbird

I'see what you mean. but diameter of input pipe maters.

If pipe is smaller in diameter then it holds less weight of water per meter of altitude(height). Bigger pipe in diameter holds larger weight of water per meter of height. isn't it so ?

So in order to lift water column to 1m height you would need less energy (m*g*h) to do so if pipe is smaller in diameter cause weight of this 1m column of water is smaller. can we agree here ?


Wiz

hi wiz,

you are right.  you don't have to have a disk 10 times the area (give or take) of the tube size. as long as the weight was just heavier than the water and not spread over a larger area, that's all you would have to have.  it would be like a rope over a pulley.  if more is on one side, it will fall off on the side the rope was longer.  gravity.

but if you do have a disk 10 times the size, you will need 10 times the weight.   from here you could add more tubes of any size (as long as you didn't exceed the area of the disk and were the same length) without adding more weight.  what you effect is the flow rate in the pick up tubes.

the benefit of the bigger disk is more volume in shorter distance.

now we start to chase our tail.  this bigger disk now weights more, so it will require more water displacement to float.  see where i'm going?  i think you said now you understand what displacement really means.  very good!!

you caught me off guard with the 100w statement, so i won't address it until i get a better handle on your meaning.

tom