Knitel's InfinityPump

[hartiberlin]

stefan,

again i see you have avoided me.  have you read my post with the numbers yet?  even if you think i am full of s**t, please acknowledge.  what more do you want?

if i should rewrite my post, i will.  if you give me your sizes for the parts you use, i'll reference them.

as you know from my position in the E.L.S.A. thread, i am not a naysayer.  i am the first to be happy if something works.  this one just can not the way it is given.

TALK TO ME!!

tom

Okay, Tom,
so let´s calculate,
what if the height is 5 Meters from the lower water surface to the top of the pipe ?
The pipe will be 1 cm in diameter.
So how much does the water weight in it ?

This is the only weight the 100 Kg weight must overcome.

[tbird]

Okay, Tom,
so let´s calculate,
what if the height is 5 Meters from the lower water surafce to the top of the pipe ?
The pipe will be 1 cm^2 in diameter.
So how much does the water weight in it ?

This is the only weight the 100 Kg weight must overcome.

ok, but we still need to know the area of your swimmer.  let's use a square so calcs will be easier to see.  in use, round would probably be easier to seal.

[sushimoto]

Hey,

Why not adding a spring to store some of the gravitational energy
in order to support the buoyancy - upward motion?

best, sushi

[wizkycho]

hi wiz,

where are your numbers too?

tom

my numbers are from -infinity to +infinity and that is range in which this device works.
You haven't given any real numbers or equations because, according to what you tried to explain pumping in any existing todays device is impossible.
You gave false numbers without diaemters, without density, without volumes.

...please can you comment my last animation and picture with Many weights cause I commented your numbers allready three times...
I made this last picture cause you claim that weight and no matter of its ammount "suspended" in air can not make underpreassure and make water go up.
Allso with Your numbers you claimed that diameter of input pipe doesn't matter.
We eventually agreed that diameter counts...so I lefted diameter constant and added 3 more weights and they can now be 3 times lighter (boyancy per each easier) and still be as whole heavier then initiall one and therefore more destin to be able to pump. do you really need drawing with 100 infinitypumps to see wide range in which this works.
would be nice if you would take one picture and make some arrow on it to point where exactly do you see problem in operation.

Wiz

[hartiberlin]

ok, but we still need to know the area of your swimmer.  let's use a square so calcs will be easier to see.  in use, round would probably be easier to seal.

Why ?

Okay, the right 1 cm diameter  pipe has about 15.7 Liters of water in it.
From Volume= Pi x r^2 x 5 Meter height= 15.7 Liters= 15.7 Kg.

So the weight must only be heavier than 15.7 Kg to suck up the water through the
pipe...
Or do you calculate somehow with the hydrostatic paradoxon ?

I guess this does not apply here.

Did you see my lastest 2 animations ?
There is no water beneath the 100 Kg weight, so it weights just 100 Kg and
this can fully overcome the 15.7 Kg weight of the 5 Meter high 1cm diameter water pipe at the right side.